Talk:Tāufaʻāhau Tupou IV

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requested to move to King Taufa'ahau Tupou IV

Respect to His Majesty

Shouldn't it be noted that he spearheaded an island-wide weight loss program when he decided to go on a diet? I feel it's relevant because in the article I read (I think it was in National Geographic) said that most Tongans are overweight. Mike H 07:01, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC) The proposal to move is unsigned. Apparently it came from the notorious Antares911.2 July 2005 09:53 (UTC)

Move

Titles generally aren't moved to their title. See Queen Elizabeth, all of them are not under the Queen title but under their name. Falphin 22:58, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oppose. Such move (=renaming) is unnecessary, against established policy here in wiki, makes the heading more complex, and besides appears sycophantic. 217.140.193.123 2 July 2005 09:53 (UTC)

"of Tonga"?

Shouldn't the article name end with "of Tonga" to match other Wiki monarch articles? --Jfruh 06:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How about noting/explaining some of the controversy surrounding the Tongan Royals? Jon.

Death

Due to his death I have removed the BLP part of the biography template. Academic Challenger 21:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Please move this article so that the title includes "of Tonga", as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). It makes Wikipedia look incredibly amateurish when it doesn't even follow its own policies. 86.136.215.124 22:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles) states that:

Most of the conventions below are intended for medieval and modern European and Muslim rulers and nobility, since in these civilizations several countries share the same given names, so some disambiguation is often required, and disambiguation by territorial designation is convenient. Elsewhere, territorial designations are usually unnecessary in names and in article titles.

The "of Tonga" is not needed. Joshua Chiew 11:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are very many articles on European and Muslim rulers past and present where their particular names and regnal numbers are unique, but we still preemptively disambiguate these articles for consistency. The recently deceased king's mother, Salote Tupou III, has "of Tonga" in the title of her article. Clearly you aren't willing to apply the policy consistently, even as you interpret it, so shove it. 86.143.239.2 18:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I support a name change, but please no personal attacks. T REX_speak 01:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Death of the king

prehaps there should be something in the artical to honor the kings passing as he died today. I noticed that this occurance had already been added to the page, yet no mention was made of the date. He was a very influental person in world politics and is death will have great inplications for the stability of the tongan monarchy, which has been in threat of democracy for the last decade. also, i cant seem to find any information of the illegal marrige, then suicide, of his son. if anyone can tell me where I might find this information, please use my user talk page.

RoNa_CaBiLlO

Ronacabillo 00:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not really put special tributes to people in their articles, no matter how influential. However, the deaths of well-known people do tend to lead people to add more information to their articles. I guess that would be the best way you could celebrate him. The illegal marriage of his son is mentioned, but the suicide is not. If you have a source for this, you can add that yourself, if it is in fact true. Academic Challenger 03:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weight progression etc.

Here's a compilation of the King's weight for different times I've found in various sources (mostly Guinness and geography books). Now, the article hardly needs to go this far in detail, but perhaps this could serve some purpose as a reference of sorts.

As for the units, the ones mentioned first are the ones I know or believe to be the original figures.

Year	Weight	Notes
1965	165 kg (364 lb)	Upon succession to the throne.
1976	462 lb (210 kg)	Peak weight according to Guinness; the King himself hasn't admitted ever weighing more than 444 lb (202 kg).
1980	194 kg (428 lb)	Started to lose weight on his doctor's advice.
1985	308 lb (140 kg)	Result of successful weight loss program; mentioned by Guinness.
1991	163.6 kg (360.7 lb)	Had again gained weight; mentioned by Guinness.
1993	280 lb (127 kg)	Lowest mark during his reign (that I know of), a loss of 182 lb (83 kg) from his peak; mentioned by Guinness.
1998	130 kg (287 lb)	According to Guinness was below his 1993 mark at the time; however, this was the only weight I've found for him for 1998.
2006	??? kg (??? lb)	Postmortem weight?

According to Guinness his height was 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m). He was listed under the category "heaviest monarch" – indeed, I find it unlikely that there has ever been a heavier head of state. He was also listed as "oldest (living) monarch", starting from the 1995 edition – though I'm not entirely sure who was his predecessor on this. King Olav V of Norway? Note that if Malietoa Tanumafili II of Samoa (oldest head of state since Joaquín Balaguer's last term) is considered to be a monarch, Guinness was mistaken. Otherwise the current oldest should be Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom.

As for his sports background, I remember a Finnish newspaper article on Paea Wolfgramm's silver medal at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta saying that the King was still the national recordholder in pole vault (!) – I suppose that it had lasted for a while by then.

Wasn't he the first head of state to give a speech at the Millennium? Not sure if that deserves a mention.

--Anshelm '77 22:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Surfing

There is a famous photo of the king surfing (a pastime of Polynesian royals across the Pacific), in his younger years. This could be added to the article. 24.223.167.112 17:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do so, but verify copyrights first, as usual. --Tauʻolunga 20:10, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Link to it from the talk page, I'd be willing to verify it for you. -- Zanimum 16:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Horwitz's book "Blue Latitudes"

In his popular book, Tony Horwitz has a chapter on Tonga. In it, he recounts a strange, hour-plus long one-on-one interview he had with Topou IV. It's very interesting and merits mention and reference here. I don't have time just now, but I'll add it if no one else wants to. Bigmac31 00:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

military

Shouldn't something be mentioned about his invasion of the Island Republic of Minerva in the 1970's? If Minerva has a wikipedia page, then the King's invasion of it should be mentioned on the king's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.241.126.254 (talk) 18:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To call it an invasion would be inappropriate. The Republic of Minerva was a micronation, with no standing in international law, and the removal of the people on it was not a notable event. The incident is mentioned in Foreign relations of Tonga and in the main Tonga article, mostly because there is a conflicting claim by Fiji rather than because of the micronation. While a proclamation was issued in the King's name, I am not aware that he was personally involved, and this article should not include every event involving Tonga during his reign.-gadfium 21:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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