Talk:Medium egret

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Is this bird also known as Egretta ardesiaca? Smallweed 17:59, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Egretta ardesiaca is the Black Heron of tropical Africa. jimfbleak

Thanks Jim. The reference I was looking at has got Intermediate Egret as Mesophoyx intermedia. Wagler also described the Black Heron, which is where I made my mistake. Smallweed 21:37, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I'm afraid that heron taxonomy is a matter of pick a genus, any genus - Great Egret is variously Ardea, Egretta or Casmoderius alba

90cm?? Not in Australia.

Photo misidentified

In the taxobox, the image: Median Egret (Mesophoyx intermedia) Photograph By Shantanu Kuveskar.jpg is misidentified (I'm pretty sure). The gape clearly extends past the eye, making it a Great Egret. I am replacing the photo with one of the other, correctly identified photos. Katie Reese (talk) 13:31, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

IOC Recognise 3 species

The IOC has accepted the proposal that Intermediate Egret be split into 3 separate species, as of 26 September 2023. They are Yellow-billed Egret (Ardea brachyrhyncha), Intermediate or Median Egret (Ardea intermedia) and the Plumed Egret (Ardea plumifera). WHen do we create articles for these new species? Will the current article be edited to deal with A. intermedia sensu stricto or should there be a disambiguation page? Quetzal1964 (talk) 18:12, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

The yellow-billed and plumed are each now covered by subspecies articles under their English common names and the subspecies boxes can be converted to species boxes at the appropriate time.Quetzal1964 (talk) 12:19, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 2 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved for now, but to be reexamined later. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 21:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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Intermediate egret → Medium egret – IOC has split the species and this is the English common name they give for the nominate subspecies Quetzal1964 (talk) 21:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Station1 (talk) 19:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps this should wait for IOC 14.1 to be released. The entries in diary and species updates are not entirely clear.

• Diary: "Sep 26, Accept splits of Yellow-billed Egret and Plumed Egret from Intermediate (Medium) Egret."
• Species update:

Plumed Egret

Ardea plumifera

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Medium (Intermediate) Egret

Plumed Egret Ardea plumifera is split from Ardea intermedia based on differences in proportions and substantial differences in high breeding plumage (del Hoyo & Collar 2014; WGAC).

I suppose is means that the plumed egret is being split from the intermediate egret and the remainder of latter will be called the medium egret afterwards, but why the parenthetical term? It's probably part of the WGAC unification process, as the Clements update says that "[t]o minimize confusion, the English name Intermediate Egret is now retired, and we adopt Medium Egret for the Asian species". —  Jts1882 | talk  09:00, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this matter, Jts1882 !! I agree to postponing the decision until the next IOC version, if that contains more clarification. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

You are partially correct. The plumed egret and the yellow-billed egret (the subsaharan African form) are both being split from the intermediate egret. When the IOC split a species they usually disambiguate the split forms from the old parent, see Eastern subalpine warbler, Moltoni's warbler and Western subalpine warbler. I think the names suggested are all poor common names, there is more than one egret species with a yellow bill, they are all intermediate in size between great and little egrets, which all three taxa are sympatric with, and they all have plumes when breeding but medium is what the IOC are going with. Agree to waiting for confirmation. Quetzal1964 (talk) 11:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The first draft of IOC 14.1 has been released (weeks earlier than usual) and the Intermediate Egret (Ardea intermedia sensu lato) has, as expected, been split into Yellow-billed Egret (Ardea brachyrhyncha), Medium Egret (Ardea intermedia sensu stricto) and Plumed Egret (Ardea plumifera). —  Jts1882 | talk  15:52, 18 December 2023 (UTC)