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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. —Xezbeth 07:34, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

Samuele de Gaunt

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  • Delete - I'm am a left-wing activist in Portugal and I've never heard about such things ... The photo doesn's seem to had been taken in the 1940's. Google reports only 3 results for "Samuele de Gaunt" and are all related to this article. This seems like a vanity page with a big background story. Samuele de Gaunt is not an hero to the portuguese left-wing, no one has heard about Samuele de Gaunt! Actually that is not a Portuguese name. If you try to read the story you will find it way too silly.

Two more things:

- There is an article related to this in the votes for deletion, Gil Martinez. - The user who built the article has edited this same comments a few times. Afonso Silva 19:06, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete, nonsense. "The Empire Strikes Out" in 1968? Uhhuh. Sounds like an English speaker who doesn't understand that puns don't translate. RickK 19:48, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, there's not a single reference to him on the Portuguese site, so he can't be all that famous if he existed at all. I also found absolutely about him on a few different Portuguese language search engines. If this is a joke, it's a bad one and a strange way to waste time. Kyle543 01:17, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable. Megan1967 05:32, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong keep Note- Living in Sale, I have viewed a commemorative plaque to de Gaunt in the town hall, which I am sure the above posters have not witnessed. Samuele de Gaunt was not as famous as mentioned in the article, which accounts for his relatively low to zero documentation on the internet. However, he did exist nonethelss and was both a folk guitarist and left-wing political activist.
N.B. The above unsigned comment was from User:81.152.32.109 whose only contributions have been to Samuele de Gaunt and this VfD. P Ingerson 10:48, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
N.B. The above poster doesn't realise that I searched my hometown and commented on what was missing. I have not visited this site many times before, and certainly didn't care enough to post contribute elsewhere. Besides, this is for the history of my hometown; it has purpose.
Note: The above comment is by 81.152.32.109, whose only edits are to the article and this VfD.
  • Delete. I agree this is probably a hoax. P Ingerson 10:48, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Bollocks, pure bollocks. Delete at once. As a Sale resident, I was keen to learn more about my town's history, and lapped up the information contained within this article with glee. Now I realise it was a cruel hoax. How did my fellow posters come be stung by the malicious pranksters who have made a mockery of this fine educational resource and the proud history of my hometown?
The above unsigned vote is from User:80.5.160.8 -- P Ingerson 15:14, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC).

My fellow posters. As a U.S student of Archaeology at Coimbra University I have recently come across this article and assumed that it was utterly fictional. However on a visit to the Municipal Graveyard or the túmulo do país on Ladeira das Alpenduradas I found the graves mentioned in the article. They seem in first class condition and I suspect they are well cared for. Whether this means the entire story is authentic is another matter.

The above unsigned comment is from User:81.77.94.146, this user's first contribution. RIPE puts this IP address in the United Kingdom, not Portugal. Also note that he used the British spelling of Archaeology even though he's supposedly American. P Ingerson 15:14, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It would seem that the deluded above annotation failed to account for the expeditions which archaeologists embark on.
Note: The above comment is by 81.152.32.109, whose only edits are to the article and this VfD.
  • Strong keep. Why was this listed? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 19:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) Change to delete unless corroborated. It now looks to me like a hoax. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 10:42, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Most of the votes of deletion are from liars- they say they are themselves political activists. That is quite frankly laughable, and although some parts may have been tampered with the person that is Samuele de Gaunt indeed visited our town of Sale. Taking away this page is like taking away our history.

The above unsigned comment was from User:81.152.32.109 whose only contributions have been to Samuele de Gaunt and this VfD. P Ingerson 22:48, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong keep Samuele de Gaunt was indeed a guitarist and political activist.
Note: The above unsigned vote is by 80.53.113.150; user's first edit.
  • Comment. User:80.5.160.8 has vandalised this page again. The vandalism has been reverted again. Could everyone please add this page to your watchlist? Thanks. P Ingerson 23:02, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • He's done it again. And I've reverted it again! P Ingerson 23:11, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Is there a page on Portuguese Wiki for this dude? If not, why not? A2Kafir 23:32, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • My point is, if this dude is so bleeping famous in Portugal as our anonymous poster claims, there should be a Portuguese page for him. I just checked for one, and it's not there. That implies this fellow is not as important as our anonymous poster asserts. "Taking away this page is like taking away our history" is a bit much; why are you concentrating on an English page if the fellow is so important to Portugal? Delete if no resolution of these issues. A2Kafir 13:53, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Some people wish to conceal the truth. For shame.
  • Strong keep. Our heritage is being defiled by this Portuguese truth-butcher! Do not let de Gaunt's name be corrupted by this reprehensible slander! FORWARD, COMRADES!
Both of the above unsigned votes are from User:82.211.102.159, who also added the fake "Strong Keep" to A2Kafir's comment. This IP address is owned by Trafford metropolitan borough council. P Ingerson 10:24, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • This is getting worse. I repeat: Samuele de Gaunt never existed, at least as a Portuguese left-wing folk singer! You want an example of a real Portuguese left-wing folk singer? -> Zeca Afonso. Samuele is not a Portuguese name, de Gaunt is not a Portuguese surname, that's just like saying that Afonso Silva is a British left-wing folk singer. Afonso Silva 16:49, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong keep I have heard of de Gaunt, and when I visited Manchester I learned some of the history of the towns within. I am not too sure of de Gaunt's popularity in his home country, but his efforts in Sale sure seemed to have an impact.
Note: The above unsigned vote is by 210.196.130.62; user's first edit.
  • Strong keep After being contacted via the above poster, I too travelled with him to England. Sale is a small yet lively town with some interesting history. Notably James Joule, and also de Gaunt. I am confused to why people are unsure of de Gaunt's existence, as documents are clearly visible within the town hall.
Note: The above unsigned vote is by 211.76.97.249; user's 20th edit.
    • As you may not be aware, the votes of anonymous votes are not counted. However, you would strongly support your contention if you would take a camera to the Sale town hall and take photos of those documents, hmm? RickK 22:14, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Note: This page was vandalized by 217.43.178.234, who changed Afonso Silva's vote and comments. This was the user's first edit.

  • If the socks can try and vote "strong keep," this real user votes strongest possible delete. Do not pass BJAODN, do not collect $200. Apparently, their little button eyes failed to notice the delete vote from a genuine Portuguese leftist. Nice try, hosiery. - Lucky 6.9 07:35, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, no evidence for existence, probable hoax.-gadfium 07:58, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Like all non-sockpuppets here, I vote delete with the most extreme prejudice possible. sɪzlæk [ +t, +c ] 08:57, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

Note: this page was vandalized by 80.5.160.8 (talk · contribs) 81.152.32.109 (talk · contribs). RickK 16:32, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Vandalised by 81.77.94.146 (talk · contribs). P Ingerson 10:33, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete the damn thing. Clearly a hoax, and almost certainly the creator is using sock puppets to vote and possibly vandalize the page. Not good form. --Whimemsz 17:16, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
  • KEEP- this person has a few pages about him off google, there isn't much but there isn't a lot about thousands off these articles. If this was a vanity page why would it be all about someone who is dead and lived aound 50 years ago, This to me seems like a genuine page; the person in it may be over hyped but still a real person and a true article. Though this may be phrased wrongly the only perons vanity this page seems to be for is P Ingerson, who single handedly wants to lose history forever. Dr White

Do not delete. A Sale resident myself (check the IP!) I was fortunate enough to encounter Mr. de Gaunt during his brief sojourn into our fair town. I am duty-bound to confirm that the countenance gracing the page to which this Vote refers (and may I add that the persons posting for deletions are evincing a lamentable ignorance about Sale and Mr. de Gaunt) is indeed that of Mr. de Gaunt, and that, with some possible inaccuracies, the information contained therein is without doubt representative of actual events, persons and places. To attempt to delete this resource is not merely to deprive people everywhere of this small morsel of Sale's history, but to slur (though admittedly without intent to do so) Mr. de Gaunt's name. - J. Mones.

Note: The above vote is by 217.44.32.3 (talk · contribs); only edits are to this VfD page and P Ingerson's talk page.

Note: This page was blanked twice by 80.5.160.8 (talk · contribs).

Blanked again, this time by 82.211.102.159 (talk · contribs), a repeated vandal.
Blanked again a minute after I reverted, again by 82.211.102.159 (talk · contribs)
The same user then replaced the text with "stop it loser".
Blanked AGAIN by 82.211.102.159 (talk · contribs)

Vandalized by 81.154.222.178 (talk · contribs), who replaced the whole page with that ALL SEEING EYE crap. --Whimemsz 02:22, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

Pokes the All Seeing Eye's out. Nice try, no cigar. Zscout370 (talk) 02:24, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Having been informed of this page by several surprised Wikipedia users, I have to confirm that Samuele de Gaunt was indeed a Portuguese folk singer; I was unaware of many (if any) left-wing acitivities on his part, but his talents as a bard were formidable and not to be trifled with. To delete this page (despite any posible inaccuracies therein) is a travesty and one which I consider an unforgivable breach of Wikipedia's mission. My own experiences of de Gaunt during his all-too-brief period in Sale were quite a revelation, and it will be a sad loss if others are deprived of the chance to grasp at some small sample of his beauteous musical talents.

Proof, man, PROOF! Give us PROOF! Not testimonials! Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 10:33, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to remind folks that whenever you post a vote and or comment, please sign the entry by using four tildes ~~~~. Thank you. Zscout370 (talk) 11:18, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This page was blanked by User:80.5.160.8. Zscout370 (talk) 18:21, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. I live in Manchester, and Sale is but a short distance away on the Metrolink; I checked in the library and there are a couple of small displays of de Gaunt, but some of the information here may be embellished - requires alot of revision. Arpeggio 18:45, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this for reasons others have already listed. Quite clearly a hoax. HorsePunchKid 20:48, 2005 May 5 (UTC)

Why on earth would anyone want to write a 'vanity' article, as Dr. White so rightly says, about a dead, little known Portuguese left wing political activist? Surely we should be encouraging this article? It recognises the integrity and bravery of someone who was, undoubtedly, a very fine man. Do we want to lose this small piece of Samuele de Gaunt? It is our only link to him now, apart from his remaining poetry. He is clearly a hero, and one who deserves to be remembered in any way that we can. Also, as a Sale resident, I can confirm the existence of the plaque to de Gaunt's memory. I suggest that anyone who doubts the truth of this statement comes to Sale. Or do they not wish to be proven wrong? Especially as phots seem to copy so badly onto this page "The photo doesn's seem to had been taken in the 1940's" (again, the first poster). As to his name not being portuguese, could not his parents have been immigrants, or maybe even only one parent? We are not considering all of the possibilities here. Thank you. User:81.155.199.53

This is where, once again, we want you to do this: PROVE IT. Show us articles, show us books, show us poetry, show us stuff that will try to convince us. It is not our job to do YOUR research. You claim to know all of these facts, but nothing to show proof to back those claims up. Plus, as mentioned earlier, if he was a great man that was valued by the Portugese people, he will be on the Portugese version of Wikipedia, but he is not. That, to me, brings me a clear sign that he is probably not notable. Zscout370 (talk) 21:50, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lucky, how can we have any idea whether or not the "genuine portuguese leftist" is, in fact, a genuine portuguese leftist? You seem to take their word for it with less evidence than you do for the supporters of Samuele de Gaunt. This, to me, suggests that you are not impartial. Perhaps you have conceived a dislike for Mr. de Gaunt? STRONG KEEP. User:81.155.199.53(FL)

I see a long page, a photo, and a bunch of stuff, but no sources, no links, nothing to support any statement. Anything that has been found online, it is from Wikipedia mirrors. The "UK Guide" [2] and Realestate.ca [3] are just Wikipedia mirrors of that one page, which the hoax was removed before. Wikipedia wants proof on their articles, and until you get some, we will keep on saying delete. Zscout370 (talk) 22:02, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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