Talk:Simon Kuznets

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Bank of Sweden Prize in Economics

There is no such thing as a Nobel Prize in Economics. Nobel never instituted a prize for economics, nor would he. Economists have free-rided the event to enhance their profession. The Bank of Sweden Prize for Economics was instituted with public money, typical, and they forced their hand to be given at the same date. The marketing ploy is in the "In Memory of Alfred Nobel", which belies a laugh. Not even the most liberal economist would honor a monopolist business man, warmonger, inventor of Dynamite, suplier of the military. Only wikipedia can tell the truth. Britanica hires economists to write about the Nobel Prize in Economics and spread the small lie around. == Educated in the Soviet Union, Studied at Columbia

== Kuznets left the Soviet Union when he was 21. he was already doing statistical work for the Soviet Government.

Is it more appropriate to use "Soviet Union" than to use "Russia"

Russia was slang for the Soviet Union. Russia is one of several territories that made up the Soviet Union. Further, "Soviet" implies the period and situation. Russia today, Russia before the 1917 revolution, and the Soviet Union are all distinct entities. Just as Italy and Roman Empire are different.

-The comment above is wrong. The author misses the 4th entity: Russia after the 1917 revolution and before the creation of the Soviet Union. The USSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) or Soviet Union was created in December 1922. Before that the country's name was Russia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.239.250.130 (talk) 15:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Date of death

I've been trying to resolve the issue about the date of death, since it gives both July 8th & 9th. Using Lexis-Nexis, I hoped to resolve it by looking at news reports from the time, but I've gotten contradictory info, as I did before in a simple Google search:

New York Times: July 8
The Times (London): July 8
AP: July 9
UPI: July 9

So. Normally earlier dates are more likely to be correct in these instances. But since I can't say with any degree of certainty, I suppose I'll just leave it how it is. Everyking 19:36, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More sources:

Newsweek: July 8

Washington Post: July 9

Everyking 19:40, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Britannica gives July 8, by the way, but I'm somewhat unusual in that I tend to take very little stock in Britannica. Everyking 19:42, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Standard of Living

This article seems to suggest that Kuznets wanted the GDP to be used as a measure of standard of living. However, my understanding is the opposite. See http://www.fiscallygreen.ca/gpi/docs/alberta-gpi-slide-show.pdf, page 10. Can someone clarify? --Chris Tindal 23:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another source agrees with you: [1], and the original statement is unsourced, so I'm changing it. --Atemperman (talk) 20:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality

Simon Kuznets was Jewish. (Googled Jewish recipients of Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics - several sites). Looks like he was not Russian. I do not think that being born within the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union makes a person Russian. In the Soviet Union he would have been called a "Soviet Jew". He is also not Belarusian or Ukrainian, although the city of his birth is now in Belarus, and he studied for a while in Ukraine. The way I see it, when an Eastern European Jew moves to the United States, he becomes a Jewish American, not a Russian. I believe most American Jews came from the lands ruled by the Russian Empire. I believe listing the nationality as Russian represents bias. It should be Jewish American, Jewish, or any other way that better represents his identity rather than "Russian".

I believe listing the nationality as Russian represents bias. Abuksis 05:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The point of having both nationality and residence is precisely to distinguish between the place where someone lives and the place where he was born. Moreover, Kuznets left for US relatively late, having the time to be educated in Eastern Europe and to be influenced by the (Russian?Jewish?Ukrainian?) culture. So by no means his nationality should be American. I don't really know about Russian, Ukrainian, generically Eastern European or Jewish, although I don't think that technically Jewish is a nationality. Anyway, American is out of the question for nationality. AdamSmithee 08:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright and NPOV issues

This article uses literal portions of this site here: http://www.econlib.org/LIBRARY/Enc/bios/Kuznets.html Besides being a potential copyright infringement, this poses a NPOV issue, as the source and the text used are certainly biased. This is especially true when comes to the GDP and the statement according to which "In the late forties, however, he broke with the Commerce Department over its refusal to use GNP [sic] as a measure of economic well-being." This is inaccurate. Kuznets was not in favour of using GDP a "measure for well-being". On the contrary, he stated that “The welfare of a nation can scarcely be inferred from a measurement of national income as defined by the GDP" --#fhmit# 20:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then remove the copyied portions or the entire sections and change it to a stub AdamSmithee 08:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I corrected the GDP statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atemperman (talk • contribs) 20:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality tag

I'm going to assume that since it's been a long while, and at least part of the issue above has been addressed that I can take off the neutrality tag. CRETOG8(t/c) 04:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Simon Smith Kuznets ([pronunciation?]; Russian: Семён Абрамович Кузнец; April 30, 1901 – July 8, 1985)

Where does the "Smith" come from? Shouldn't that be Simon Abramovich Kuznets? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.187.185.162 (talk) 18:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In Kharkov there is a memorial which mentions "Simon Smith" as second name in brackets [2], obviously the Americanised version of "Semyon Kuznets" (first name on this memorial). --62.202.180.194 (talk) 18:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Born

The Encyclopædia Britannica definitely says Kharkov. Боґан (talk) 04:56, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I have removed an entry in the further reading section ( Grinin, L.,et al.... (2016) Economic Cycles, Crises, and the Global Periphery.) which I think was added to promote one of the authors. Feel free to restore if I am wrong and this is OK here ... but it would be nice to explain why? (Msrasnw (talk) 13:51, 18 July 2022 (UTC))[reply]