Talk:Panamanian white-faced capuchin

Possible scope for expansion...the race is on...

Ideas --> fuller taxonomic history - I added a bit. Also, more on which fruit are consumed, and finally any idigenous names or folklore from local people. You have a couple of days to get 1000 words...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I didn't find anything to add on folklore or indigenous names (other than the local Spanish name, mono carablanca, which just means white-faced monkey). But if I counted right I got a bit more than 1000 extra characters in diet, tool use and taxonomy. Rlendog (talk) 03:38, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

fantastic/well done :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Thanks for getting this into DYK. I know it was a bit of an exception to the normal rules.Rlendog (talk) 21:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:White-headed Capuchin/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Hi, I'll be reviewing this article. Sasata (talk) 01:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

GA criteria:

• Clearly written - prose is generally good, some minor changes to spelling and grammar need fixing, see comments. More wikilinks, and some clarifications are suggested.
• Factually accurate - well cited, and sources seem reliable.
• Broad in coverage - coverage good, and meets guidelines outlined in WP:WikiProject Primates.
• Written from a neutral POV - yes.
• Stable - yes.
• Compliant with image use policy. All images have free licenses.

The article is well-written, and appears to be close to GA quality. I'll put the article on hold, and give the nominator a week to address the relatively minor points below. Sasata (talk) 05:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments

- italicize Latin name in caption of distribution map

- include the genus abbreviation "C." in front of all synonyms (e.g. C. albulus) as is the usual convention for scientific names

Lead

"...the White-headed Capuchin is important to rainforest ecology byfor their role..."

"...has been trained to assist for paraplegic persons."

Description

• the prehensileness of the tail is mentioned twice in subsequent paragraphs.

• why is the brain weight notable? Is it relatively large or small, or indicative of cognitive capacity?

• The last two sentences begin with the conjunctions "But" and "And", which although acceptable, is less formal than using "However" and "Also". Your call.

Behavior

Social structure

• "Although the males are not necessarily related to each other, they are less competitive with each other than males South American capuchins, and they associate with each other and cooperate to drive away predators and males from outside the group." Doesn't sound right - the second "males" should be "male", and "each other" is used three times in the sentence.

• "White-headed Capuchin troops occupy home ranges of between 32 and 86 hectares (79 and 210 acres) square metres." is the m2 supposed to be there?

• the terms groups and troops seem to be used interchangeably, and I'm not sure if they're synonymous or refer to different types of social structures. Please clarify, or use one term consistently.

• please define what is meant by "conspecific groups"

• "Lower ranking animals are more likely to groom higher ranking animals than vice versa." "rank" not clearly defined; from what I can gather from the text, the only two "rankings" are dominant and non-dominant. Please clarify.

• define or wikilink sympatric

• "This may be because the distribution of food in the areas where Central American Squirrel Monkeys occur and is such that the cost to the squirrel monkeys of associating with the capuchins in lost feeding opportunities would not offset the benefit to the squirrel monkeys in predator detection." This sentence is a mouthful; removing the suggested "and" would make it better, but a rewrite would be best. Also, in this sentence, "lost feeding opportunities" suggests they are eating the same food, while the next sentence seems to contradict this.

Diet

• "Fruit can make up between 50% and 67% of the capuchin's diet" - Cit this, or combine with next sentence if the source is the same.

• why wikilink only caterpillars but not the several other insects in its diet? Same for mollusks in the next sentence.

• "The capuchins' intelligence is thought to be a result of their feeding habits" this makes it sound like they get their intelligence by good eating habits, which is not the meaning that I think was intended.

Tool use

• "Other species of capuchin monkey are also trained..." monkeys

• "television series Friends" missing period

• "It was also traditionally used as organ grinder monkeys." It->they

Conservation status

• "...deforestation may also mpact its main predator..." impact

• "...The White-headed Capuchin is important to its ecosystems for a number of reasons," Either give me the reasons or rephrase so I'm not left hanging.

Taxonomy

• define or wikilink species group

• redundant wikilinking of locations in the subspecies list (Panama, Nicaragua)

Other

• The references could use a minor copyedit to remove double periods, and differences in citation styles introduced by citations templates.

Reply

Thank you for your comments, I believe I have addressed them, and significantly improved the article as a result. Rlendog (talk) 00:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the article looks great now. I made a few minor spelling fixes. One small thing, did you mean "antagonism" where you wrote "agonism"? Wasn't sure, so didn't change it myself. Sasata (talk) 00:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment and the additional fixes. I did mean agonism, which came right from the source. I think it is correct. "Antagonism" would imply a level of hostility that doesn't seem to be present in, say, supplanting a fellow monkey from a feeding spot, especially if a subordinate is supplanting a more dominant monkey or if the two monkeys may align against non-troop monkeys (in true antagonsim) moments later. But "agonism" implies "contest", which seems like a more accurate description here. Rlendog (talk) 01:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm happy to promote this excellent article to GA-status. Thanks for your contribution to Wikipedia!. Sasata (talk) 08:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

New section

Hello, I am new to editing wikipedia and I'm not sure how to get permission to edit the main page. I work with capuchins in Guanacaste, and I noticed some of your 'facts' are incorrect. I've made the changes on the main page but, unfortunately, I have no citation for most of the facts I've changed because they are behaviors I've personally observed rather than anything cited in studies. If you wish, I can give you the official phone number and name of the study group and you can call to verify my references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.237.97.98 (talk) 18:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, one of the basic tenants is no original research. Thus personal observattions are not included until they are published in a reliable source. Do you have reliable sources for the items you added? Rlendog (talk) 19:49, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I made a number of changes to your edits. For now, where the previous information was cited to a reliable source, I restored those facts, since we should not pretend that sources say something they do not, and we should not replace reliably sourced information with uncited information. Where possible I equivocated to allow the possibility of exceptions to the sourced information. Of course, if your observations get published in a reliable source (i.e., not self-published), we can incorporate that information. I was able to find sources for the some of the information you added (although I needed to make some minor modifications to fit the sources) and added those sources to the article. For a few items, I have not yet found sources but I will continue to look. I have marked those with a tag that shows up as "citation needed". I think most of those can be sourced, such as the fur sucking, which I think is mentioned in Defler (at least something similar is, so maybe some minor word changes may be needed). But it would be helpful if you could add references where you know of any, since ultimately unsourced information and original research can be removed. Rlendog (talk) 01:30, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merger from Capuchin_monkey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capuchin_monkey  — [Unsigned comment added by Frank Guerin (talk • contribs).]

No. That is the article that covers the entire genus. This articles is about once species in that genus. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:50, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

However, there is a large section of that article that does need to move over to here. I'll work on that. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Helping hands monkeys.

I'm not sure if this is the right page for helping hands to be mentioned, looking at the gallery http://www.monkeyhelpers.org/ourfamily/monkeys/gallery/ there are no white-headed capuchins, only tufted. Do other organizations train white-headed capuchins? Primate keepers I have spoken to suggest the white-headed is less suitable, for a number of reasons, such as being more aggressive, less trainable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.184.228 (talk) 23:18, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Predators?

What are the monkey's predators, e.g., harpy eagles?Kdammers (talk) 23:01, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Areal

Why areal is so narrow? What's with Brasil? They must live also in Brasil. http://www.rainforest-alliance.org/species/capuchin-monkey In Iguazu National park on Argentina territory also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Askofa (talk • contribs) 08:33, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Cannibalism

The Panamanian white-faced capuchin has one recorded instance of infant cannibalization in the wild. Should this be in the article?

• https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ece3.6901
• https://www.livescience.com/first-white-faced-capuchin-cannibalism.html

Kodiak Blackjack (talk) 22:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

"Intraspecific Social Interactions" section

I removed the section "Intraspecific Social Interactions" because it has been unsourced for almost 2 years, and the style of its writing makes me concerned that it may have been copied from another source, though I am unsure of the exact source. A section on the behaviors described would be of value, if it were written in Wikipedia's own words. TigressDragonblade (talk) 14:34, 8 September 2023 (UTC)