Talk:Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow

Game's title

I believe there's something wrong with the romanization of Aria's Japanese title on this article (and on the Castlevania one as well). It says キャッスルヴァニア暁月の円舞曲 (Castlevania: Akatsukitsuki no Enbukyoku) there, but that doesn't sound right. I mean, "akatsukitsuki"? I know that the "literal" pronounce of that would be that, but I think it's wrong. "暁" is indeed "akatsuki", while "月" is indeed "tsuki", but, I don't know.

Take a look at this cover. That's the official Japanese guide for the game. The furigana there reads simply as "akatsuki", so I really don't know. I've never figured out the way the Japanese titles in Castlevania really work. The furigana makes no real sense on these new games. "Minuetto" has no connection with "enbukyoku", that's for sure. Not on meaning of the kanji and not on pronounce either. So, I'm kinda clueless.

Deviations from normal Castelvania

Maybe somebody mroe knowledgeable than me will write a section on how AoS discards many traditions of past Castlevanias, amongst them being playing as a Belmont, touch of death, or fighting a Giant Bat.

It is the only castlevania with a pistol,rifle or any type of "futuristic" weapon-Paul

...until the sequel, Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, that is. And the weapons aren't "futuristic" per se, since the games take place in the mid-21st century. --DocSigma 12:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

"fighting a Giant Bat" Well technically, you almost fight a giant bat, but then Balore kills it. --MKnight9989 12:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Character list article

Hello there, everyone. I created List of characters in Castlevania: Sorrow series in an attempt to clean up much of the bloated content found in the various character articles involved with these future-timeline games. This page is meant to cover all the characters in the two games in a format that the casual reader would like. The reason I'm doing this is because I notice articles like Hammer (Castlevania) gives more coverage to a minor character than Richter Belmont in the main castlevania character list, and that didn't seem quite right because I'm pretty sure Richter is one of the more famous characters from the whole Castlevnia series. If I have everyone's permission, I would turn the pages on Mina Hakuba, Julius Belmont, Yoko Belnades, and Hammer into redirects to this character page and leave Soma Cruz and Alucard in their own articles (because those two are very notable in their connections to Dracula). Any comments about this page? I'd like to hear them. Thanks. Erik Jensen ^{(I appreciate talk!)} 19:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Double Pack

There is a small bonus when you start a game of Dawn of Sorrow with the Aria of Sorrow cartridge inserted in the DS's GBA slot. Does it work if you use the Double Pack cartridge, too? --Someone Else's Problem 14:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. -- John —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.20.173 (talk) 09:03, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

In the Trivia section

It mentions a door that can't be opened on the top floor. I've beaten this game twice as Soma (once on hard, once on normal), once as Julias and just recently started a new Soma game on hard, and I don't remember this (Is it the Knight statue that raises its lance?). Anyone care to share? --MKnight9989 13:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

You have to beat Dracula Wannabe (AKA Graham) with a specific 3 souls equipped (Giant Bat, Flame Demon, Succubus) THEN you can go through that weird black mist around the top floor (furthest right of the Clock Tower) and get to the secret area (You fight Julius Belmont before accessing the Chaotic Realm, so be ready).

Can find any other hidden areas with the Peeping Eye soul.

(Oh, and just in case you mean that area past the waterfall in the lower levels of the castle...just have Undine soul equipped and use a soul that can rush [ie. Devil, Manticore, Curly] and entry should be obvious. Stand on water and rush through, enjoy it if you haven't already!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.192.2.102 (talk) 18:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

References

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GA Review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

There's a serious detriment to this article that requires fixing before I would even CONSIDER passing this article:

1. Reference #54 does not work for me.

I'll put the article on hold for a period of up to seven days. If you manage to address all the above concerns in seven days, I guess I'll have to pass it. I guess.

Seriously though, amazing job! Once the reference has been fixed, it's definitely a Good Article and beyond! Cheers, CP 23:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Replaced the ref. Regards, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 00:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Amazing work! It goes without saying that this is a Good Article, so congratulations and thank you for your hard work! Cheers, CP 04:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Mina

After seeing the 'Let's Play' video for the first level, I was under the impression that the hero is forced to leave Mina, wounded, on the pathway to the front door of Dracula's castle. I realize an online video is not much in the way of reliability, but if I am right, I think it's an important plot point briefly mention in the plot section. Lots42 (talk) 18:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Reference material

I found a few print reviews for this game while working on the Online print archive. They are listed below:

• Electronic Gaming Monthly
• GameNOW
• GMR
• Game Informer

Hope these are useful. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 21:59, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

TFA nomination

• Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article/requests#May_6

I think it might need a copy edit before it runs. Give it a look over. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with List of Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow and Dawn of Sorrow characters

This article lacks sources about the characters themselves—it's dependent on reviews of the game and primary sources. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't give an indication that these characters need to be treated as a separate entity from the individual games. The game article is already an FA so I'm not sure how much more it needs, but any secondarily sourced fact worth including in the main article should be. My, things have changed since 2008. czar 23:38, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose because both articles are FA, ie. have been judged to be "comprehensive ... neglect no major facts or details and places the subject in context" (2. b.) – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:07, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Did you see the FA discussion? Our 2008 standards were nowhere near our current standards. czar 17:06, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

That same criteria existed back then (though in practice probably not enforced to the level it is now). In any case, if you want to pursue the argument that the articles should be merged because either of them does not meet FA any more, we first need to establish if this is the case (in FA review) I think a merger prior to a review is premature. It's also worth to note that after the review we might be in a situation where one of the articles meets 2.b. and the other does not, in which case a merger would still upset the balance of the FA article. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:34, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

We've redirected featured articles/lists before. The question is whether you contest that this article does not the notability criteria. Otherwise it's a lot more work for nothing. It would be out of order to merge in content to sway the balance of the game's article, so I doubt there would be much that needs to be merged in the first place czar 04:12, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

• Neutral – I would often agree with such logic, especially when it comes to character lists. I'm really on the fence here because, on the one hand, it pains me to see a character list primarily sourced by in-game dialog and mostly consisting of in-universe descriptions, but on the other hand I am happy with the conception and reception sections and think listing only the major recurring characters in this manner is appropriate. I don't really feel like taking a stance here, eventhough the lack of reliable sources covering the characters specifically would usually be a big no-no... At the very least, I think a reassessment would be appropriate. I don't think the list is an FA-class anymore... ~Mable (chat) 12:17, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
  • I just noticed that, if this article is merged, the Featured Topic will be turned into a Good Topic at best. Something to keep in mind. ~Mable (chat) 18:12, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
• Support The list is short enough to add. SGPolter (talk) 16:39, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose I feel that both articles are important because of their FA status. Also, both articles have a decent amount of information, with both being very long. No point in merging and making a longer article. NaturalAbundance (talk) 02:33, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
• ... this discussion hasn't gone much of anywhere. Lots of circular logic. We don't keep FAs just because of their former status—the standards have changed over the years and we've merged many former FAs. The question is whether there is enough secondary sourcing to justify a separate article here, and thus far that evidence is not forthcoming. czar 07:29, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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Why the literalization of Japanese title uses "Minuet" instead of "Waltz"?

円舞曲 literally means waltz. --fireattack (talk) 01:07, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Extensive quotation

This article quotes extensively from the game. Are these lengthy quotes compliant with Wikipedia:Non-free content? DrKay (talk) 16:15, 16 June 2021 (UTC)