User:Bishonen/RfAr/afu

Statement of complaint

Everybody involved is conscious of Antifinnugor's non-native English and limited familiarity with en.wikipedia processes, as well as the difficulty of standing alone against a group of experienced editors. Nobody has tried to entrap or game him; on the contrary several editors "on the other side" have tried in good faith to help him argue his case more effectively, both before and in the RfC and RfAr process, please see evidence page for details (coming soon). Especially Nyenyec has throughout tried to help afu present his case, in spite of being himself singled out for vicious personal attacks. Both Nyenyec and I wrote to afu yesterday/today about how he urgently needs to start defending himself on this RfAr, and why it is a poor substitute to open a retaliatory RfAr on DBachmann. Speaking for myself, I spent—wasted—a lot of time trying to put this advice into palatable, accessible, and helpful form. Afu quickly deleted the messages from his talk page without comment, having apparently grown more intransigent rather than less (he has previously, uniquely, always been civil to me). I'm tired of trying to help him. He needn't have been this alone in navigating the mysteries of the RfAr process if he hadn't chosen to be.

Evidence presented by User:Bishonen

Nonce accounts, 1 January

Antifinnugor's summary on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Antifinnugor is putatively certified by User:Balf, a nonce account, and I urge Antifinnugor on his Talk page to remove this signature, in his own interest, as it's only making him look bad. He refuses, disclaiming knowledge of Balf, and instead goes on to aggressively denounce User:Dhanak as a sockpuppet, quite at random (compare Dhanak's contribs, and especially Dhanak's contribs at hu:wikipedia). Subsequently another certification of Antifinnugor's summary appears from a user of similar credentials, User:Nemenyi. As I told afu, it doesn't make much difference if the pair are sock puppets, or RL friends of his. But perhaps the accounts could nevertheless be investigated?

Attempts to help Antifinnugor with process, 25 December – 14 January

We are conscious of Antifinnugor's problems of limited English skills and limited familiarity with en.wikipedia processes, and of standing alone against a group of articulate and experienced editors. Several editors "on the other side" have tried in good faith to help him argue his case more effectively:

25 December, Antifinnugor reverts frequently on Critique of Finno-Ugric and Uralic language groups and is warned by Nyenec about the 3 Revert Rule being official policy on en.wiki. on his Talk page by Nyenyec. When he nevertheless goes on to break the rule, I urge him to stop, both in my edit summary and again on his talk page. Appreciating the language problem, I try to be very explanatory, and meet a civil response, but he continues reverting. He is subsequently blocked for this violation.

1 January, Afu responds to the RfC against him in the wrong place on the page. I write to him advising him to move his response, and he does so.

1 January, I advise afu to remove Balf's signature certifying the RfC, see above. He refuses.

10 January, the RfAr is accepted by ArbCom, and Nyenyec promptly sends afu a note of advice and links about how the RfAr process works. Afu does not reply nor, apparently, use the information, since his next action on 14 Jan is self-defeating:

14 January, Afu attempts to open a retaliatory RfAr against DBachmann, though failing to list it on the main Wikipedia:Requests for Arbitration. Nyenyec sends him detailed advice about how to defend himself, how to supply diffs, etc, referring also to an explanation he has written in Hungarian. I also write to afu], explaining why the RfAr on DBachmann will only harm his case, and giving detail on where and how to enter argument and evidence on RfAr/Antifinnugor instead. In spite of advising afu against RfAr:ing Dbachmann, both Nyenyec and I also tell afu how to make his RfAr/Dbachmann formally valid, if he still wants to go through with it. Lots of good advice, painstakingly set out. Afu quickly deletes both messages, together with all previous advice from Nyenyec and me on his page.

Comment: But afu's continual scolding and abuse of especially Dbachmann and Nyenyec, devoid of factual content as far as one can see (no evidence or sources are offered) is much worse than the voting by sockpuppet/roommate, 3RR violations, or other formal infringements. I'm convinced he'll be right back with his flamethrower if he should be let off with a caution, since he has shown himself impervious to mere appeals. Note that hu.wiki, which lacks our sanction system, has been quite unable to contain his aggression.--Bishonen | Talk 22:39, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)