Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guo Bingwen
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The result of the debate was keep. Joyous 16:14, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
19 hits on google for Guo Bingwen. [1] Does being the founder of an educational institution make one worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia? GRider\talk 19:24, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. I would be tempted to vote"merge and redirect" if there were only one relevant destination for the merge. -Sean Curtin 02:44, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, not notable - under 20 Google hits, article as it stands is un-encyclopaedic. Megan1967 06:20, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, seems notable from the article. Also note 1510 hits in Chinese, which I don't speak, so no idea how many are relevant. —Korath (Talk) 06:50, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Judging from what the article actually says ("He is accepted as the Father of the Chinese Modern University") he is not the founder merely of "an educational institution" (which in itself would be enough, if the institution is important) but of an educational system. To be the founder of the modern system of education in the world's most populated country seems somewhat notable... The Chinese Wikipedia has a long article on him. / u p p l a n d 08:08, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- No vote yet, but leaning toward keep. That Chinese article is only 3 weeks old, so I'm not sure they've solidly accepted it yet. Can someone who reads Chinese please have a look at that, see if it more clearly establishes notability, maybe add a request to WP:TIE if it's worth translating? -- Jmabel | Talk 20:42, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Had a look at Chinese version, he is at least as important as the many cartoon characters on Wikipedia. Have a look at Fukuzawa Yukichi for a similar personality in Japanese history(in English). Certainly it could do with translation or expansion. Munster 01:51, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Strong keep. He got over a thousand Google hits!!! in Chinese. Most of the articles are related to the educator. -wshun 08:17, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep is surely my view. I'd like to give the information I know. Guo Bingwen (or Ping-Wen Kuo) was the founder of Nanjing Highier Normal Institute and National Southeast University which was the Chinese cradle of modern science. The Chinese modern higher education start by foreign church, e.g., The Peking University (北京彙文書院, not today's Beijing University (北京大學) but the Yenching University (燕京大學) and merged with BJU or PKU in 1952) and The Nanking University (南京彙文書院, not today's Nanjing University (南京大學) but the University of Nanking (金陵大學) and merged with NJU in 1952) established by American Christian church in 1887 and 1888. But they were not actually universities as their core objective was for religion at the time. Later in 1897 there was the first Chinese school with the Chinese name university(大學) --Peiyang University(北洋大學堂, renamed Tianjin University(天津大學) in 1951). It’s generally accepted as the first Chinese semi-modern? University(中國第一所近代大學). It was actually an engineering/technology institute. The first comprehensive Chinese university was National Peking University(also known as Metropolitan University(京師大學堂) in its earlier days and renamed Peking University in 1912) and the second national comprehensive Chinese university was National Southeast University(國立東南大學, renamed National Central University in 1928 and Nanjing University in 1949, also known as Nanjing Higher Normal Institute in its earlier days(南京高等師範學校)). Given the name university(大學), such Chinese universities as Peiyang University, Peking University, Shanxi University were not real modern university in their earlier days. [The modern Chinese university came into been around 1920s. In many features, National Southeastern University is the first modern Chinese university(the article Nanjing University may provide a little reference). For instance, John Leighton Stuart(司徒雷登), the first president of Yenching University, later also American Ambassador to China, in his book Fifty years in China(在華五十年), describes National Southeast University as "the first modern national university in China"(中國第一所現代國立高等大學). -note: by dictioner] Ping-Wen Kuo was the man of the time. When He was the president of Nanjing Higher Normal Institute, He established the Southeast University based on the Nanjing Higher Normal Institute. Many of the notable Chinese university presidents were faculties or graduates of the university around the year 1920. He even enjoyed international fame. He was elected for three times as the vice Chairman of the World Education Congress/International Education Board?(世界教育會) and the Chairman of Asian division since 1923. Wang Jingwei, a Chinese political leader, wanted to replace Ping-Wen Kuo to become the president of National Southeast University in 1924 and there were conflict between them, and with other reasons together, R.O.C. government at Nanjing devalued him. The CCP government also dislikes him for many reasons. As one reason raise here, Ping-Wen Kuo advocated the scholars/professors should be independent and should not involved in politic actives or politic parties. But CCP insists the party and government controlling education/universes till now. Wikinu 10:34, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, doesn't belong in the English section of Wikipedia. JamesBurns 05:47, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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