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Kyudoka vs Kyudojin

In fact Kyudoka doesn't exactly mean Kyudo practitioner - it means Kyudo *expert*...this seems to be a mistranslation. So higher level Kyudo practitioners may be referred to as Kyudoka, but not lower level practitioners. The actual term for Kyudo practitioner is "Kyudojin". http://riron-kyudo.upper.jp/ Deathlibrarian (talk)

That is actually wrong. Ka (家) means house, family, or home. When you are considered part of that family might differ in this case to other martial arts, but ka does not mean expert. It identifies a person as part of the "Kyudo-House" or "Kyudo-Family". In all other martial arts I know and train in, Judoka, Aikidoka, etc. is the term used for all practitioners.--ZeroGRanger (talk) 22:58, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gender of Arrows

I cannot (outside of Wikipedia, except obvious copies) find any reference to the first arrow being male and the second arrow being female. To my knowledge, "haya" literally means "first arrow" and "otoya" means "second arrow". 甲 doesn't have any secondary meaning referring to gender and 乙 neither. 甲矢 and 乙矢 have very clear meanings. Without a reputable source, I wouldn't keep that piece of information. Florian Gilcher (talk) 13:42, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ENGVAR?

This article appears to be written in either Canadian or Oxford spelling, but I can't quite tell which. Can anyone figure it out? Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:52, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Farmers with tanegashima?

Hi everyone, longtime reader and new editor here. I've been reading Nagashino 1575: Slaughter at the barricades by Professor Stephen Turnbull, published by Osprey, and there's no mention of Oda Nobunaga arming farmers with arquebuses. On the contrary, it goes into detail about the exhaustive drill and discipline required for Lord Oda's troops to employ sophisticated volley fire techniques. I'm sure there were a few errant farmers among the gunmen, or lowly samurai, but it really sounds like the ashigaru were mostly thoroughly drilled warrior-caste dregs who may or may not have ever done any farming.

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Kyudoka

Just a note about nomenclature. Kyudoka doesn't mean "person who does Kyudo" or "Kyudo practitioner". It means "Kyudo expert". I know us English speakers like to have convenient terms, but there isn't really one for someone who does kyudo, as the Japanese normally just say "I do Kyudo". For the average person to call themself Kyudoka is innapropriate, because it really should only be used by high level Kyudo people. I've modified the article to reflect this. Deathlibrarian (talk) 05:13, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you start the same discussion twice? Your statement is wrong. ka (家) means house, family, or home. It identifies someone as a member of the house of Kyudo in this instance. In all other Japanese martial arts, "ka" identifies any practiotioner, independent of grade. In Kyudo people are not referred to typically as Kyudoka, granted, but at least get the translation right. ;) --ZeroGRanger (talk) 23:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the reference to Kyudoka - the ka ending is used in other martial arts, but in Japan, people don't say Kyudoka to refer to themselves - its not correct.Deathlibrarian (talk) 21:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Insertion of facts about Dai Nippon Kyudo Kai

HI all, I'm not sure what the Dai Nippon Kyudo Kai is, but its just been inserted all through the article, with no references. There are references to a wikipedia page about the DNKK, but in turn, there is no RS on that page itself.

Please discuss here before these changes are made. It would be good to see some RS inserted to support this. Also a possible COI issue, with the editor connected to this organisation, though I am assuming good faith, it does seem most of their insertions are to do with DNKK. Unfortunately, I can't revert to the last stable version as there has been intermediate edits, so I'm removing the references until some RS has been inserted to support it, and the DNKK parent article has some RS to substantiate it. All a bit mysterious. Deathlibrarian (talk) 10:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you can go to kyudo fb group to find some answers. But make sure you are going to the “Kyudo弓道” one, not the “Kyudo” one. As the “Kyudo” one is now controlled by DNKK, and they intended to delete any other post but DNKK one. NekoMeow9 (talk) 18:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi user NekoMeow9 it's all good, I'm aware of the controversy with this new DNKK group, and the FB group. I'm just trying to apply Wiki rules to the article to make it fair. This article generally needs more reliable sources, a lot of it is unsourced. Deathlibrarian (talk) 23:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m wondering if we can add the section re: the notice sent from ANKF and IKYF on May 10 re: DNKK.

As you may notice, the DNKK info is added all over this page by a wiki user “Florida Budokan”, and this user is one of the core members of DNKK. NekoMeow9 (talk) 04:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I had already removed a lot of his offending edits as they weren't referenced and some quick Google searches didn't reveal any support for them. Deathlibrarian (talk) 07:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inserting RS

Hi all, a lot of this page is unreferenced, and possibly incorrect. I'm endeavouring to go through and find references for what I can, and perhaps delete any thing a bit dubious.Deathlibrarian (talk) 11:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]