Talk:Tanoli

Kashmir premiere League (KPL) Chairman 2022, Arshad Khan Tanoli. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanawal (talk • contribs) 09:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Abbottabad High Court Bar Association President, Haji Sabir Tanoli — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanawal (talk • contribs) 09:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Government

The rulers of Dir originally held the title of Khan but from June 1897 onwards were styled Nawab Khan Bahadur of the Tanoli tribe. The royal status of the rulers was abolished in 1972 at the same time as most other princes of Pakistan.

Tenure	Rulers of Dir
Unknown dates	Gholam Khan Baba
Unknown dates	Zafar Khan
Unknown dates	Qasem Khan
1863–1874	Ghazzan Khan
1875–1886	Rahmat Allah Khan
1886–1890	Mohammad Sharif Khan (1st time)
1890–1895	Mohammad `Omara Khan
1895 - December 1904	Mohammad Sharif Khan (2nd time)
December 1904 - February 1925	Awrangzeb Badshah Khan
February 1925 - 9 November 1960	Mohammad Shah Jahan Khan
9 November 1960 - 28 July 1969	Mohammad Shah Khosru Khan
28 July 1969	State of Dir dissolved

References

This history about tanoli tribe is Fabricated

Tanolis are Arab by origin and descendants of Hazart Abbas R.z Uncle of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH if any one has any doubt Kindly have a DNA check Tanolis are arabs not turks or barlas They are from Banu Hashim tribe and decedents of Hazart Abbas R.Z , uncle of Holy Prophet P.B.U.H . the only reason why they have traces of Turks in their Blood is Because Their forefather Zarab khan Abbasi who was the Commander of Hirat Afghanistan in Ghaznavi Reign , has the turk wife Kindly don't fabricate history plz do a proper research.

116.71.162.76 (talk) 12:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

There's no tree that links us to Arabs do you know your subtribe how does that relate to your claim ? If we are Arab why don't we speak Arabic at home are traditions are not even remotely close to the Arabs and Arabs themselves have no record of us either. Please read the correct history instead of relying on false information because we are Muslim that does not make us automatically related to the prophets in the end we are all the entire human kind is related to Hazrat Adam A.S. so it still doesn't make us any special either way. Regards. Khumiro101 (talk) 09:17, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

do not worry , i cahnged it Ahsaanali756 (talk) 20:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I restored the original comment, please do not edit other users' talk page messages. If you disagree you can post a reply. Jamedeus (talk) 21:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2023

TANØLI is a pashtun tribe tano khail 39.62.161.131 (talk) 07:48, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 18:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

=TANOLI =Baigal Tatari Tribe

The Göktürk civil war or Turkic interregnum was a number of political crises in the Turkic Khaganate first between 583 and 603, which resulted in the split of the khaganate into Western and Eastern Some peoples move to near baikal lake BAIGALTANOLI belong to Baikal lake its name of place at Mongolia Russia BAIGAL name came from BAIKAL LAKE there homeland which belong to Gorturk nomad When great khan invited all nomad tribe so baikal peoples join the Great Khan Army

because Great Khan army was organized his army into 10,100,1000 and 10 000 Soldiers unites

So Baigal Tribe (han) which real name Gùldoz han which there army unite Reach there at Tanawal HAZARA Some unite of soldiers stay at Ghazni and Paktai There is more tribe peoples from MONGOLIA But mostly Soldiers DNA belong to Tatar (Barlas) and Mongol

When the First state of Tanoli name is AMB states That time Baigal Tatari han (Baigal Tanoli) Divided his army in 5 part they move to Agror MARDAN Ghazni Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.

After the great khan haraza is the Fort of chughtai khanate the history of MONGOLIA the first subject of the Great khan and served as tamnas or tamachis in Afghanistan

they settled near indus river to face the military of Delhi sultanate in the 1250 their lader was sali noyan who was tatar orgin .

Then they Qara'uns and Barlas serving under the khan they gained confidence from them Qara uns were the main force for the campaign in persia and india (Delhi sultanat)

According Marco polo they were mixed with indian becuse these soldiers were unable to reach Homeland to find There own States wives.

after the death of Qazan the chaghtai khanate split into two parts until it was temporarily reunited under tughlugh timur 1347 to 1363 chaghtai mongol fell under the control of semi nomadic oboghs the Baigal Tatari settle at near indus River the give that place name Tonkhil which call hazara Tanawal now adays and other soldiers with family move to center asia

During the regin of temur 1405 Qara'unas and Baigal formed a hug part of his army they still spoke mongolian in mountain in late 15th century Let’s begin with a history of the term Tatar. The original Tatars were a nomadic tribe in Inner Asia around the 8th century AD. This was a tribe that was defeated and subjugated by Genghis Khan later on during his unification of Mongolia.

The term became a generalized term used by the Chinese sources to refer to the nomadic people of the steppes in Inner and East Asia. The term did not gain popularity in the Islamic world and Europe till the rise of the Mongol Empire. The term Tatar became an ethnonym used to refer to the Mongols in the early years of the Mongol Empire. It was both used as an endonym (less frequently) and exonym. Though mostly as an exonym by outsiders that came into contact with the Mongols (Islamic world and Europe).

The Mongol Empire changed its policy towards the term in the middle of the 13th century. The new policy promoted the use of the term Mongol to refer to both the political entity and the people. This caught on in most of the empire, as we see the rise in the use of the term Mongol (Mughal/Moghul). The exception to this seems to have been the Golden Horde where the term still remained popular. The Europeans who had contact with them also referred to them as Tatars or Tartars.

The fragmentation of the Mongol Empire resulted in the mixing of the ruling Mongol tribes and the local Turkic people in the Golden Horde and Chagatai Khanate. The Mongols assimilated into the local Turkic cultures. These people are often referred to as Turko-Mongols during this period. The Turko-Mongols of the Golden Horde also commonly used the term Tatar as an ethnonym to refer to themselves.What is the Tatars' connection to Genghis Khan's army in Russia? Are Tatars Mongols? There are different kinds of Tatars. The “Tartar” and the “Da-da(r)/Tatar”.

Originally, Tatars were a seperate people living in the Mongolian steppe, with a seperate but related culture to Turks and Mongols. In the Orkhon inscriptions, carved during the time of Turk Khaganate, they are mentioned as the “Otuz Tatar” and “Doquz Tatar Bodun”. They were called “Da-da” (the r at the end was not written, as it was not important in the spelling) by the Chinese. It is possible that Tatar was the name used for a variety of Mongolic speaking tribes as indicated by the Chinese (Barthold, 1935; Pelliot, 1929) and the Orkhon insciptions. Otuz Tatar means Thirty Tatar and Dokuz Tatar Bodun means Nine Tatar Nation.

These Tatars, who killed Temujin’s father Yesügei were annihilated by Mongols.

Mongols were called Tatars by the Islamic world too, including Seljuk Turks even though Turcomans themselves were the steppe invaders some time ago. As for the naming by Muslims: Tatars are also Muslim, but during the time Turcomans have made a name for themselves in the Islamic World and established themselves as a solid power in Near East, many Turkic tribes in the Mongol Empire were still Tengriist until their conversion in 13th and 15th centuries. However, this has more to with Mongols than the religion of Turks in Tartary though, the essential reason is: They were part of “the Mongols”. “The Mongols” here does not refer to ethnic Mongols, but their empire, army and nation. Turkic tribes who were heirs of Mongol Empire in Europe, like those that make up Crimean Tatar, Kazan Tatar, Nogays and Polish Tatar Afgan tatar nations , could not shake off the name that would be a permanent apparent on their identity.

These Chaghtai, ruled by tribes with the same name Baikal were how people used to identify themselves. They identified with the tamghas of their clans and tabyns of their family. However, the collective name for these different groups of Turkic peoples was “Tatar” in Crimean Khanate. When nomadic baikal settled down, they were called “Baigal Tatars”. So for the Afghan Tatar, this was both an exonym

Tatars are a Turkic ethnic group native to Central Asia, Siberia, and Eastern Europe indusriver. They are descendants of the Golden Horde and Chaghtai khanate, a Mongol empire that ruled much of Eurasia in the 13th and 14th centuries.

The Tatars were a major part of Genghis Khan's army. They were skilled horsemen and archers, and they played a key role in many of the Mongol victories. After Genghis Khan's death, the Tatars continued to serve as soldiers and administrators in the Mongol Empire.

In the 14th century, the Golden Horde began to decline. This led to the rise of independent Tatar states, such as the Kazan Khanate

Genghis Khan fought with Tatars. His father Yesugei named him as Temujin after his Tatar nemesis. Tatars poisoned Yesugei. After Temujin became Khan, he defeated Tatars. When Tatars rebelled, all Tatar males were killed and women & children sold as slaves.

However those tatars and Tatars of Golden Horde weren’t exactly same people. Golden Horde Tatars were mostly descendants of Kipchak and Volga Bulgar Turkics mixed with some Mongols. They also fought with Kalmuk Mongols. At 17th century a group of Oirat Mongols migrated to deshti kypchak (pontic steppe) and fought with Tatars living there. The term Tatar (and its later corruption Tartar) is a very vague term that has been been a source of confusion for many. That is because Tatar has been used to refer to many different groups of people. Because of this, there is no fixed definition of exactly who the Tatar were. Its definition changing depending on the chronicler, the era and even the region.

The Chagatai Tatars with their ruler, Emir Timur

Let’s begin with a history of the term Tatar. The original Tatars were a nomadic tribe in Inner Asia around the 8th century AD. This was a tribe that was defeated and subjugated by Genghis Khan later on during his unification of Mongolia.

The term became a generalized term used by the Chinese sources to refer to the nomadic people of the steppes in Inner and East Asia. The term did not gain popularity in the Islamic world and Europe till the rise of the Mongol Empire. The term Tatar became an ethnonym used to refer to the Mongols in the early years of the Mongol Empire. It was both used as an endonym (less frequently) and exonym. Though mostly as an exonym by outsiders that came into contact with the Mongols (Islamic world and Europe).

The Mongol Empire changed its policy towards the term in the middle of the 13th century. The new policy promoted the use of the term Mongol to refer to both the political entity and the people. This caught on in most of the empire, as we see the rise in the use of the term Mongol (Mughal/Moghul). The exception to this seems to have been the Golden Horde where the term still remained popular. The Europeans who had contact with them also referred to them as Tatars or Tartars.

The fragmentation of the Mongol Empire resulted in the mixing of the ruling Mongol tribes and the local Turkic people in the Golden Horde and Chagatai Khanate. The Mongols assimilated into the local Turkic cultures. These people are often referred to as Turko-Mongols during this period. The Turko-Mongols of the Golden Horde also commonly used the term Tatar as an ethnonym to refer to themselves.

Was the Timurid Empire related to the original Tatar tribe from Inner Asia in the 8th century? No. However, there is a connection between the Timurid Empire and the term Tatar.

Remember how I mentioned the mixing of the local Turkic people with the Mongol ruling elite in the Chagatai Khanate. This held especially true for the Chagatai Ulus (Western Chagatai Khanate). The political entity where Timur rose to power and the core of the Timurid Empire. The Turko-Mongols of the Ulus Chagatai formed the core of the Timurid military forces and often the ruling elite. These Turko-Mongols of the Ulus Chagatai were sometimes referred to as Tatar as well. Though this was not the most common term. That was the term Chagatais.

The Chagatai Tatars or Chagatais

We actually have quite a few examples of the Chagatais being referred to as Tatars. Both by Timurid sources and by other contemporary sources.

Sharaf al-Din Ali Yazdi, the Timurid chronicler who wrote Timur’s biography (Zafarnama), often refers to the Turko-Mongols as Tatars. This is sometimes contrasted with the Mughals (Mongols) of Mughalistan (Eastern Chagatai Khanate). Though Yazdi seems to use the terms Turks, Tatar and Mongol interchangeably for the Chagatais.

“Lift up thy head, behold the condition of thy country of Persia, which is at length reduced by the power of the Tatars.”

The Timurid Empire. The Golden Horde can be seen to the north. The Turko-Mongols of the Golden Horde were more commonly referred to the as the Tatars.

Yazdi is not the only one to use the term Tatar when referring to the Chagatais. Contemporary sources also often refer to the Turko-Mongols of the Chagatai Ulus in the same manner. Sultan Bayezid of the Ottoman Empire for example refers to the armies of Timur as Tatars in his reply to Timur’s letter. Ruy González de Clavijo (Spanish ambassador to Timur’s court) in his book “Embassy to Tamerlane” usually refers to them as the Chagatais or Chagatai Tartars. Ibn Khaldun also used the term Tatars when referring to the Chagatais when describing his interaction with Timur in his book “Kitab al-Ibar” (Book of Lessons). Though he also uses the term Chagatais when referring to them.

“Thy armies are innumerable; be they so; but what are the arrows of the flying Tatar against the scimitars and battle-axes of my firm and invincible Janissaries?” -Sultan Bayezid to Timur

“If you graciously ask about my welfare, it is excellent, thanks be to God. Last year I rode in the Sultan’s retinue to Damascus when the Tatars, marching toward it from Asia Minor and Iraq with their king, Timur, had conquered Aleppo, Hama, Hims, and Baalbek and ruined them all, and his soldiers had committed there more shameful atrocities than had ever been heard of before.” -Ibn Khaldun in a letter to the Sultan of Maghrib Remember how I mentioned the mixing of the local Turkic people with the Mongol ruling elite in the Chagatai Khanate. This held especially true for the Chagatai Ulus (Western Chagatai Khanate). The political entity where Timur rose to power and the core of the Timurid Empire. The Turko-Mongols of the Ulus Chagatai formed the core of the Timurid military forces and often the ruling elite. These Turko-Mongols of the Ulus Chagatai were sometimes referred to as Tatar as well. Though this was not the most common term. That was the term Chagatais.We actually have quite a few examples of the Chagatais being referred to as Tatars. Both by Timurid sources and by other contemporary sources.

Sharaf al-Din Ali Yazdi, the Timurid chronicler who wrote Timur’s biography (Zafarnama), often refers to the Turko-Mongols as Tatars. This is sometimes contrasted with the Mughals (Mongols) of Mughalistan (Eastern Chagatai Khanate). Though Yazdi seems to use the terms Turks, Tatar and Mongol interchangeably for the Chagatais.

“Lift up thy head, behold the condition of thy country of Persia, which is at length reduced by the power of the Tatars.”It has been a while since I have read the accounts of Thomas of Metsoph (Armenian cleric/chronicler in the Caucasus region) and Ibn Taghri Birdi (historian from the Mamluk Sultanate) regarding Timur and his invasions. But from what I remember, both of them also use the term Tatar/Tartar atleast a few times when referring to the Chagatai armies.

Interestingly, Ahmad ibn Arabshah may be the most accurate when it comes to the usage of these terms. In the “Aja'ib al-Maqdur fi Nawa'ib al-Taymur“ (The Wonders of Destiny of the Ravages of Timur), his account of Timur’s life, Arabshah seems to make a distinction between the Golden Horde and the Chagatais. Only referring to the Golden Horde as the Tatars.

However, when it comes to modern scholarship or historians, the term Tatar/Tartar is not really used when referring to Timur or the Chagatai Ulus. As the term is quite vague and causes confusion. Not to mention inaccurate when referring to the Chagatai. The term Chagatai is probably the most accurate term to use.

“Then, when Tokhtamysh Khan, Sultan of Dasht and of the Tatars, saw what had occurred between Timur and Sultan Hussein, his heart’s blood boiled and raged - and that because they were kinsmen and neighbors - and enrolling a numerous army and plentiful forces, he advanced against Timur’s camp from the side of Saghnaq and Atrar.

After the temur death 1405 they decided there own States which call tonkhil the AMB state amb word belong to ambaghai khan who live at tonkhil because of there homeland in MONGOLIA 1507 they give name to tonkhil become AmB state

AMB STATE was considered a powerfull and important state during Durrani,Mughal and British Raj. AMB fought many wars with Durrni Sikh and British this is the maim cause of war. Nawabs Maharajahs Durrani who used tonkhil AMB state Routes for Attack and visiting other countries. when the Durrani tribe arrived at india the tanoli chieftain Suba khan tanoli accepted Durrani rule In 1755 and helped the empire during the THE THIRD BATTLE OF PANIPAT After the battle Baigal Tatari move to different parts of the Amb State Mostly move to The Agror Valley and Kazakh Khanate (🇹🇲 Turkmenistan)

For more information read (The Soldiers of Mongol) chapter at

THE SECRET OF MONGOL book.....2A00:F29:248:286:99D0:5D40:5934:2890 (talk) 08:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

correct 2A00:F29:2D0:13CD:38E3:4177:5D4E:C75C (talk) 06:36, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Correct 2404:3100:104E:CE73:1:0:CBB4:FFBE (talk) 07:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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whatever information is provided on this page is entirely wrong , the DNA results of HAZARA UNIVERSITY has clearified it. like every ghilzai clan of bettani tribe , tanoli tribe also have turk dna at some level but they also contain afghan genetics. in afghanistan you can find ahmed rubani shah wali ullah , ibrahim lodi books where you will find the name of zabardast khan tanoli who conquered safan ,iran with the son of khilji .... kinldy allow me to correct all these myths and mistakes .

thank you. Ahsaanali756 (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 21:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2024

Subject: Request for Revision of the Ancestral Origins of the Tanoli Tribe on Wikipedia

Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I am writing to request a review and revision of the information regarding the ancestral origins of the Tanoli tribe currently listed on Wikipedia. The current entry describes the Tanoli tribe as descending from the Barlas Turks, which lacks substantial evidence and does not align with other historical and ethnographic research on the subject. Based on a variety of credible historical sources, there is significant evidence that the Tanoli tribe descends from Pashtun origins rather than Barlas Turks which has no real evidence.

Amonkhan (talk) 15:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)The Tanoli tribe is primarily located in the Tanawal Valley of Hazara, Pakistan, with origins traced to the Ghilzai tribe of the Bettani Pashtun confederation and descent from Hazrat Yusuf (AS). They reside in districts like Mansehra, Haripur, Abbottabad, and others, with branches also in Kashmir and Afghanistan. Historically, they played significant roles in frontier wars and allied with Ahmad Shah Abdali. Their language varies by region, including Hindko, Pashto, and Urdu. Notably, Tanolis refute any kinship with the Abbasi tribe, emphasizing their distinct Pashtun heritage.

Background and Sources

Amonkhan (talk) 15:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)1. Historical Accounts: Various historical records and ethnographic studies indicate that the Tanoli tribe is of Pashtun descent. Several British colonial-era ethnographers and historians who studied the region, such as Major James Abbott and Sir Olaf Caroe, noted the tribe’s affiliation with Pashtun ancestry. These scholars have documented that the Tanolis exhibit cultural and linguistic traits similar to Pashtun tribes, including traditional Pashto customs and social structures. 2. Genealogical Records: Pashtun genealogies often trace the lineage of the Tanoli tribe to the Karlani or Ghilzai Pashtun groups, which historically settled in the regions of present-day Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Tanolis have long been associated with Pashtun tribal networks, further strengthening the argument for their Pashtun origins. 3. Cultural and Linguistic Evidence: The Tanoli tribe’s customs, traditions, and language use align closely with Pashtun practices. Cultural traits, such as Jirga (tribal council), Pashtunwali (the Pashtun code of conduct), and Pashto language influences, are prevalent among the Tanolis, indicating a shared heritage with other Pashtun tribes.

1. “The Pathans: 550 B.C.–A.D. 1957” by Sir Olaf Caroe – This book offers a comprehensive history of Pashtun tribes, including those like the Ghilzai and Bettani, which are relevant to the Tanoli’s claimed lineage. 2. “Narrative of a Journey from Heraut to Khiva” by Major James Abbott – Provides insights into the regional tribes of the Hazara area, where the Tanoli tribe resides. 3. Books Specific to the Tanoli Tribe: • Taarikh e Tanolian by Syed Murad Ali Shah • Al Afghan Tanoli by Haji Ghulam Nabi Khan • Tanoli Taarikh e Aaina by M. Ismail Khan Kokalvi • Tarikh e Tanawal by Fida Hussain Khan • Tarikh Tanol by Farid Khan • Marshals of Tanawal by HabibuRehman Khan • Mehfil e Tanolian by Sardar Khan

These books provide specific historical and genealogical details about the Tanoli tribe, supporting their Pashtun descent and connections to regions in Afghanistan.

For a more detailed account, you might also consider searching academic databases like JSTOR or Google Scholar for articles related to the tribal history and origins of the Tanoli, focusing on their connections to the Ghilzai Pashtuns and their role in regional history.

Request for Revision

I propose that the current entry on the Tanoli tribe be revised to reflect their Pashtun descent, based on the evidence provided. This revision should include properly cited references to reliable sources that discuss the historical and genealogical links of the Tanoli tribe to Pashtun ancestry. Suggested sources include:

• Caroe, Olaf. The Pathans: 550 B.C.–A.D. 1957. Macmillan, 1958. • Abbott, James. Narrative of a Journey from Heraut to Khiva, Moscow, and St. Petersburgh during the Late Russian Invasion of Khiva. W.H. Allen, 1843. • Spain, James W. The Pathan Borderland. Mouton & Co., 1963.

These sources provide a detailed ethnographic and historical analysis of the tribes in the region, supporting the claim of the Tanoli tribe’s Pashtun origins.

Neutral Point of View and Verifiability

I understand that Wikipedia’s core principles include maintaining a neutral point of view, ensuring verifiability, and relying on reliable sources. My request is based on well-documented historical research, and I aim to improve the accuracy of the information presented. The inclusion of these sources will enhance the credibility of the article and provide readers with a more comprehensive understanding of the Tanoli tribe’s history.

I kindly request that Wikipedia editors review this appeal and consider revising the Tanoli tribe’s ancestral origins to reflect their Pashtun descent in accordance with the guidelines for verifiable and reliable content.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I am happy to provide additional references or discuss this further if needed.

Sincerely, Amman Umar Tanoli Khan Amonkhan (talk) 15:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)