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Every damn place

Whoever wikified every damn place in the county certainly set himself on the road to a mighty task, but is it necessary? Stepp-Wulf 03:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC).

The hamlets with the same names as the townships are distinct entities and should have separate links, and ultimately, articles. I'm trying to get county residents to check out the article, or lack thereof, on their village or hamlet and add to it. I doubt that there'll ever be an article for every spot with a name, but isn't that the mark to shoot for? ~~Clarkpark~~

I'm working on fleshing out "every damn place" but it will take time and, hopefully, help of others. I see this opportunity for local historians and others interested in their communities to add information available to others. It's certainly simpler than setting up one's own web site. Paul Malo Phmalo 00:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Never mind wikifying, do all these places even need mentioning? For example, in the Town of Onondaga, "Griffin's Corners". It's listed as a "populated place" in the USGS GNIS, and shown as such on topo maps. I used to live a couple miles from Griffin's Corners and drove through it frequently. It's where Griffin Road tees out on Route 80, just outside South Onondaga, and there are three houses there. Another two or three or four houses nearby. That's it. Now I don't know if it once had more historical significance, if there was once a general store and a blacksmith and a boarding house there or something... but even if so, is it really worth mentioning outside of, perhaps, a listing or a sentence or two in the Town (not County) of Onondaga article? And I suspect the same could be asked of many, many others of the hamlets shown here. -- Rsholmes 12:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Mentioning? Yes, I think so. As you say they appear on the Census, and on maps, so why not? now, whether they deserve a Wp page is a quite separate matter, and depends on what material people can find out about them. -- Alucard (Dr.) 13:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

But why in the county article, as opposed to the town article? Certainly major villages and hamlets should be listed here, but little "populated places" like Griffin's Corners? -- Rsholmes 14:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe my take on this is a little flawed, but it's not spelled out in the county article. Instead the article links to the county template which contains everything in the county, includes CDP and hamlets. This has been done in many other counties, both in New York and other places (see Albany County, New York, [Allegany County, New York]], Cattaraugus County, New York and many, many others). The only difference I see with Onondaga County is that it Wikifies each of the place names. -- Alucard (Dr.) 14:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe I'm confused as to what you're saying, but the Onondaga County article certainly does list all the places mentioned in the template. In fact, I made the template the other day myself using the article's list as a basis. They're wikilinked in both the article table and the template. Question... do "many other counties" include tiny populated places that are not officially classified as hamlets in the county article, and/or in the county template? -- Rsholmes 16:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Most of the templates I have seen have lines for Cities, Towns, Villages, CDPs and Indian Reservations and since CDps are a Census-=related entity, I suggest we use the census as a basis. So my take is that if it's a recongized CDP, then it's on there. And as for the duplication between the article and the template, I say get rid of it from the article - I have done that for the two counties where I wrote the template. Now I also see what you mean about if they need to know which town each thing is in, they should go to the town. -- Alucard (Dr.) 16:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hamlets

If we take The New York State Gazetteer (pub. by NYS Department of Health, 1995; http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/scandoclinks/ocm35297616.htm) as authoritative, many of the "hamlets" listed here are not officially hamlets. The Gazetteer lists the hamlets in Onondaga County as follows:

• Camillus
  • Amboy
  • Fairmount
  • Memphis (part)
  • Warners (part)
• Cicero
  • Brewerton
  • Bridgeport
  • Cicero
• Clay
  • Clay
• DeWitt
  • DeWitt
  • Jamesville
• Elbridge
  • Hart Lot
• Fabius
  • Apulia
  • Apulia Station
• Geddes
  • Eddes [sic]
  • State Fair Grounds
• LaFayette
  • Cardiff
  • LaFayette
• Lysander
  • Lysander
  • Plainville
• Manlius
  • Kirkville
• Marcellus
  • Clintonville
  • Marcellus Falls
  • Marietta
  • Rose Hill
  • Thorn Hill
• Onondaga
  • Cedarvale
  • Howlett Hill
  • Indian Village
  • Navarino
  • Nedrow
  • Onondaga Hill
  • Onondaga Valley
  • South Onondaga
  • Split Rock
  • Taunton
• Otisco
  • Amber
  • Otisco
• Pompey
  • Delphi
  • Delphi Falls
  • Oran
  • Pompey
  • Pompey Center
  • Watervale
• Salina
  • Galeville
  • Hinsdale
  • Long Branch
  • Mattydale
• Skaneateles
  • Mottville
  • Skaneateles Falls
• Spafford
  • Borodino
  • South Spafford
  • Spafford
• Tully
  • Vesper
• Van Buren
  • Memphis (part)
  • Van Buren
  • Warners (part)

-- Rsholmes 16:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I've edited the table to make the list of hamlets match what's given in the Gazetteer. This involved deleting a lot of places that are not hamlets, adding a few hamlets that had been omitted, moving a couple hamlets that were in the wrong town, splitting a couple hamlets between two towns, and adding " (hamlet)" to the wiki name in cases where the hamlet and town have the same name. I've left all links as links. Many are redlinks, but that's no bad thing as long as the link is to an article that reasonably could and should be created. Now that the list has been pruned to true hamlets, I think they all satisfy that criterion. -- Rsholmes 16:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

On further consideration I am not certain this is the best solution. Hamlets have no official status, and while the Gazetteer is in some sense a definitive source, the fact is there are many other places that can equally well be considered hamlets. If we deny them the "hamlet" label, what else can we call them? On the other hand, if we include every place of settlement that has or had a name, the list will be huge. I don't know what criteria were used in choosing hamlets to list in the Gazetteer -- there is nothing in its text that says. Generally they seem to be larger than the hamlets that are omitted. Perhaps for the county page it's best to limit the list of hamlets to those in the Gazetteer (and say so), and for the county navigation template include those hamlets plus those others that actually have WP articles -- in other words, merge what I've put into the "other places" row back into the hamlets row. Comments/suggestions welcomed. -- Rsholmes 03:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

An alternative that has been used elsewhere on WP is the US Census "Census Designated Places" - these will include the hamlets. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 14:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I looked for a list of CDPs. I haven't found one with an easy way to identify the county for each CDP. Furthermore, the Gazetteer hamlets are not all included; indeed, most appear not to be. See List of census-designated places in New York. -- Rsholmes 15:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, maybe you'll be mad now that I deleted the redundant "hamlets" that are also listed as "towns". If there were entries for these hamlets or even a reasonable expectation of an entry, I would not have done that. But at least the "town" entries represent government subdivisions, whereas the "hamlet" designations often, if not usually, represent archaic place names almost forgotten from history. While I like preserving history, don't we need some actual entries for these "hamlets" to justify listing so many that are especially redundant with actual political subdivisions in the same exact area? EmjayMiller (talk) 01:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Onondaga County template

Does this really need to be hidden by default? I keep coming back here and forgetting it's hidden and wonder how many others don't realize? Is there any really good purpose for doing that? EmjayMiller (talk) 01:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Help wanted

I need some help on copyrights. I have a History of the Town of Skaneateles, which has information on the hamlets in that township that would be hard to find elsewhere. This book was written under the WPA writers program – employing out of work authors during the depression to create historical tomes that would otherwise never exist. What copyright status do these publicly financed works have sixty and seventy years after publication? What's Wiki policy on this? When I have time, can I summarize the history from this book and create articles? Can it used in its entirety (which actually isn't likely, since the book is a couple of hundred pages)? Is there a way to find out which other townships and communities were chronicled by WPA writers? This seems to be a resource that would advance Wiki's goals of preserving knowledge in the virtual Encyclopedia Galactaca. I'll check this page every so often, or anyone with answers can email me directly at clarkpark@twcny.rr.com. ~~Clarkpark~~

I am not a lawyer, so take this with caution, but it sounds like this is probably on the borderline of entering public domain. Public financing has nothing to do with it, I believe -- copyright is copyright. But summarizing in your own words should be fine. -- Rsholmes 12:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Photos

This article REALLY needs better photos. Anything would be better than those boring shots of Oneida Lake and Lysander. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.58.32.209 (talk) 01:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Presidential election results (reference needed)

This article's table with presidential election results references "Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections" as source. At least in the public online version of that source, the data presented are at a state level only; it is not clear where the county-level data were sourced from. Additional reference(s) needed. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 18:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Looking for help on Radisson?

The National Urban Policy and New Community Development Act of 1970 provided funding for an entity that would be in Onandago County called Radisson. Wikipedia doesn't have an article on this town. I suspect it was never officially turned into its own municipality. Most of the so-called "new towns" failed. But I see that the Radisson Community is an ongoing thing. Its office address is in Baldwinsville, New York. I wonder if anyone who works on this Onandago County article knows anything about this situation. Novellasyes (talk) 19:01, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

"Syracuse County" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Syracuse County. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 27#Syracuse County until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. feminist (+) 11:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Onondaga County Legislative District maps

... may need verification/ updating, following the legislature's recent redistricting. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 16:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 15:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)