Talk:Fabian Forte

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• Brief, frank interview with Fabian

link was dead, I removed it.Pedant 16:12, 2004 Aug 18 (UTC)

'doctored' recordings

"it was revealed that his records were doctored significantly to improve his voice"

Lucky that never happens anymore, eh? :-[

I don't doubt the veracity of this statement -- but it is a significant allegation that should be cited. The external link currently provided does not make this claim. When alledging wrongdoing, even decades ago, by a public figure (especially a still-living one), a verifiable source must be provided. 66.17.105.226 21:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

If you google around, you'll find several sources (some posing as "reference" sites)stating that Fabian confessed to this "doctoring" in congressional testimony during the payola hearings.

However, Thomas Doherty's book "Teenagers and Teenpics" (Temple University Press, 2002) quotes NY congressman Steve Derounian as assailing Fabian: "Why hasn't he sung more frequently in his own flesh instead of getting those hormone treatments on the records?...Isn't it true about the engineers jazzing up the records of Fabian?"

It goes on to say that there was some interest in having Fabian sing before Congress to see whether he could sing, but that Fabian was unable to appear due to Hollywood commitments.

The fact is, the payola hearings did not stir up enough real corruption to justify their expense and media visibility, and Derounian, one of the spearheads of the whole deal, was grasping for justification.

His remarks probably did harm Fabian's career, but nothing would have prolonged his teen idol status into the years of the British invasion.

I haven't changed the article, as further research should be done as to whether such 'doctoring' was confirmed in other testimony. But I would like to know what is the supposed difference between 'doctoring' and legit techniques of sound engineering. Bustter (talk) 11:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I've changed "revealed" to "alleged"Bustter (talk) 10:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I was a kid at the time, but I remember a long article, probably in my parents' New York Times Sunday Magazine, about the new technology that allowed producers to doctor singers' voices. I remember being disappointed to discover Fabian was their prime example. Not that it mattered. He was strictly for girls. A pin up. Of more interest would be an article about him and the golden age of Italo-American Rock. The Beatles ended it. PS. I read this article in some dread, worrying I'd read that, like many child stars (really, he was one), he turned to drugs in his forties and was now homeless or god knows what. Nice to hear that he's turning 70 living on 20 acres with a beauty queen. Trust me: Fabian has to have had a good head on his shoulders to survive the enormous fame he had, and make a soft landing. Profhum (talk) 04:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Photo

Surely a better photo can be found? I didn't even recognize the Fabian I "knew". Icemuon 23:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Citations & References

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 04:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Military Rejection

The entry gave no reason, nor did it even mention that he was drafted, despite a reference with contains both. I added both of these details and fixed the reference so it didn't just say googlebooks. ifny (talk) 15:06, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Your reference says nothing like what you have claimed. "Fabian was declared 4F (unfit for service) after presenting a doctor's note stating that induction into the army could cause him to develop homosexual tendencies." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.174.168 (talk) 07:41, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Playgirl appearance

While it's hardly a highlight of his career, shouldn't there be some mention of his widely-publicized (at the time) appearance as one of the first centerfolds of Playgirl? I looked at it on the newsstand, and seem to recall it was full-frontal--as opposed to Burt Reynolds's arm-obscuring-his-pubic-region turn in the Cosmopolitan fold-out, a year or so earlier--but for some reason I can't remember that important detail. In any case, Fabian definitely did it, and as this brought him as much press as he ever had in the early 70s, shouldn't it be included herein? Thanks in advance for any response! [signed] FLORIDA BRYAN — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.99.22.25 (talk) 07:33, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Re: dog & son

I am removing the generally unencyclopedic fact that Forte's dog is (was?) called "Max" from the article and also moving the following overly extensive info about his son here.

• Christian is a screenwriter with the 1996 movie Albino Alligator, starring Matt Dillon, Faye Dunaway, and Gary Sinise and directed by Kevin Spacey, to his credit. He also both wrote and directed Deep in the Valley with Denise Richards, Chris Pratt, and Brendan Hines, released in October 2009, and he is the co-screenwriter for The Monkey Wrench Gang, which is scheduled for release in 2013. Christian and his wife have one daughter, Ava Josephine.

- in case it may be useful to anyone intested in doing a separate article about Christian Forte. SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:28, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

References

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by proposer per request. (non-admin closure) In ictu oculi (talk) 07:50, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

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Fabian (entertainer) → Fabian (singer) – Per WP:RS. Fails WP:CRITERIA, since not known as "entertainer Fabian" in printed sources, therefore very unlikely that readers will search "Fabian + entertainer": "singer Fabian" = 169 Google Book results vs "actor Fabian" = 64 results. Also he went back to singing after his period as a teen idol actor ended, so recent sources refer to him as a singer http://old.post-gazette.com/regionstate/20001203fabian4.asp Relisted --BDD (talk) 23:09, 16 September 2013 (UTC) In ictu oculi (talk) 02:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

• Support; "(entertainer)" is always a bad way to title an article, and all articles titled that way should be moved to another title. I suppose there will never be a consensus for moving certain present articles, but they are still wrong. 168.12.253.66 (talk) 13:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. As nom's stats bear out, subject has an extensive filmography in addition to his discography, and is well known for both acting and singing. Dohn joe (talk) 01:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

How does this comment relate to WP:AT guidelines for titling? Particularly 2 Naturalness.. Such titles usually convey what the subject is actually called in English.? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:25, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 21:44, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Fabian (entertainer) → Fabian Forte – Many other sources use the proposed name. Per WP:NCP, if the surname is often used "fairly", add it. --Relisted. -- tariqabjotu 15:42, 30 September 2013 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 14:37, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose Support (see below). At least until someone shows evidence of how often "Fabian Forte" is used in comparison to plain "Fabian". Natural disambiguation is only beneficial when it's, well, natural and recognizable. If only a small percentage use the last name, it's much less useful as a disambiguator. Dohn joe (talk) 17:19, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
  • @Dohn joe: More than ten pages of news articles using "Forte". Also, [1][2]. --George Ho (talk) 17:32, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

George, might be best to use @Dohn joe: let him know you've supplied the evidence requested so he can change to support. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:10, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

• • Thanks for the ping. I still think we need to look at the majority of reliable sources here. According to Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(people)#Single_name, "if the single name is used as a true artist's name (stage name, pseudonym, etc.)" then we move to Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(people)#Nicknames.2C_pen_names.2C_stage_names.2C_cognomens for guidance, which says that "The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title, even if it is not their "real" name." Here, I believe that "Fabian" is the name most often used by the artist himself, and is the name most often used in sources. True, "Fabian Forte" pops up not infrequently in sources, but I don't know that's it enough for me to support a move. Again, a comparison of "Fabian" versus "Fabian Forte" could help. Dohn joe (talk) 21:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

    The search results convince me that "Fabian Forte" is in fact "fairly often used", so switch to support. Dohn joe (talk) 17:21, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

• Support - per WP:NATURAL and full set of WP:CRITERIA 1 2 3 4 5 = Page 10 of about 1,790 results (0.99 seconds) vs 1 result for "entertainer Fabian" . In ictu oculi (talk) 08:10, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
• Support. "The last name is known and fairly often used," as WP:NCP puts it. 103.250.234.97 (talk) 03:01, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Already identified on other RM by closing admin as sock, added to latest SPI in process. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• Support. The naming convention cited by Dohn joe above cannot in practice be satisfied; this gentleman is not the primary meaning of his performing name "Fabian" and he doesn't perform under the name "Fabian (entertainer)" - he performs under the name "Fabian". Given the need for disambiguation, we ought to prefer a natural disambiguator over an unnatural one. 168.12.253.66 (talk) 14:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

  That naming convention works all the time, both with and without PRIMARYTOPICS: Rihanna, Kesha, Cher, Donovan, Prince (musician), Madonna (entertainer). When someone is far better known by one name only, using their "real" full name can actually be less natural and recognizable. "Prince (musician)" is far more natural and recognizable than "Prince Nelson". That's the question here: whether "Fabian Forte" is recognizable enough to be useful as disambiguation. Dohn joe (talk) 17:21, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose: He is best known only by "Fabian," not "Fabian Forte." — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeicoHen (talk • contribs) 01:58, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support. Well, yes, he is best known only by "Fabian," but the problem is that Wikipedia has not deemed him primary topic for his first name, as we have made Napoleon primary topic for his name. Per WP:NATURAL, natural disambiguation is preferred over parenthetical disambiguation, which should only be used if natural disambiguation is "not possible". So, as we would prefer Napoleon Bonaparte over Napoleon (emperor), Fabian Forte should be preferred over Fabian (singer), (actor) or (entertainer). The case may be stronger for natural dab here than for Prince Nelson as I believe Fabian's last name is more commonly known, if not used, which is supported by the link to his official website http://www.fabianforte.net/ And with a first name like Prince, (musician) disambiguates from (monarch). Wbm1058 (talk) 14:57, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

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Remarkable!

It is truly remarkable that Fabian - by his supposed own statement to a judge - was earning $250,000 a year in 1959. That would have been a TON of cash in '59! I tried to locate the 12/1962 article in the L.A. Times where this information is cited as being, but no luck. It would be interesting to know what happened to this "fortune" as it sounds as though in later life he had issues paying his bills. What a deal!THX1136 (talk) 14:49, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

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Allowance

Quote Fabian was given an allowance

Daily, weekly, monthly, yearly? Maikel (talk) 09:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)