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Can someone PLEASE improve the dreadful English? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.229.99 (talk) 20:55, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Is it true that penteli mountain has strange gravitational effects?

There is a road on the mountain that appears to have a slight incline, on which on you can come to a halt in your car, dissengage gears, and will travel forward (up), without motorised assistance. It is believed, that this is in an illusion, known as Gravity hill / Gravity road [[1]] I was in my father's car as a child when we did this 'experiment' on a number of occassions, and despite the fact that he attempted to explain it with a scientific perspective, I found the experience astonishing. The following seems to be the only scientifically authoritative text on the phenomenon, currently available in english on the web [2]

Name?

I can’t see why this page was renamed to “Penteliko Mountain”. The standard English name seems to be either Pentelikon/Pendelikon, Mount Pentelikon/Pendelikon or Mount Pentelicus as far as I can tell. References to Penteliko elsewhere seem to all derive from this page. This name seems more like an attempt to semi-translate the Greek Πεντελικό Όρος.

The Athens article calls it “Mount Penteli”. This name was added [[3]], presumably because that’s the local name. Previously it was “Pentele”. Wikipedia should use the usual English name.

Pentelikon: Collins English Dictionary

Pendelikon: Merriam Webster (but same dictionary refers only to Mount Pentelicus under entry for pentelic).

Pendelikon (with cross-ref from Pentelikon/Pentelicus): Webster’s New World College Dictionary, Random House Unabridged Dictionary, The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 6th ed. 2012

Mount Pentelicus: Encylopædia Britannica (“Mount Pentelicus, also spelled Pentelikon, Modern Greek Pendéli Óros, historically Brilessos, or Brilettos”), Oxford Dictionary (“Pentelic marble: a white marble quarried on Mount Pentelicus near Athens.”)

Google results for “Pentelikon” seem to be largely hotels, so that implies a local but possibly, well-attested, name.

“Pentelicus” produces a lot of results from books and 19th century sources, e.g.

The Mediterranean: An Environmental History 2005
Modernism's History: A Study in Twentieth-century Art and Ideas 1998
Travels With Virginia Woolf(A Dialogue Upon Mount Pentelicus Virginia Woolf 1906)
Library of Entertaining Knowledge, Volume 18 1833
The British Museum: Elgin and Phigaleian marbles, Volume 1 1833
Transactions of the Royal Society of Literature of the United Kingdom, Volume 3 1839.
Fraser's Magazine for Town and Country, Volume 22, Issues 127-132 1840
British Museum: View from Pentelicus 1811
Antique Print Room: GREECE 1870 — Mount Pentelicus, from the height above Marathon, near the haunt of the Greek Brigands.
The Penny Cyclopaedia of the Society for the Difussion of Useful Knowledge, Volume 3 1835: “The most northern part appears to be the ancient Brilessus better known at present under the name of Pentelicus.”
The Works of Lord Byron... 1833

Based on the Encyclopædia Britannica using the name (1911 & now) and the more academic quality of the links found in searching it, I think it would be worth moving this article to Mount Pentelicus and I shall do so in a couple of days if there is no strong case for keeping the current name.

☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 09:59, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

News sources

New York Times: 1 reference to Pendelikon

The Washington Post, The Times, Reuters, Associated Press, & Google News: no results.

Other

Library of Congress: Pentelikon (1 + pentelicon)

Geographic Names Information System: no results.

Google Ngram Viewer

Pentelicus · Mount Pentelicus · Pentelikon · Mount Pentelikon · Pendelikon · Mount Pendelikon (not found)

Combined graph

NB: Pendelikon form is not found in books marked as British English.

All this tends to confirm the view that Pentelicus is the better attested form, although it is maybe more British and historical, while there is some evidence that Pendelikon has been appearing more in the US since 1940.

☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 05:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Fires Section Is Overemphasized

I'm not sure that the amount of energy that this article devotes to the fires on Mount Pentelicus is proportionate to their position in the mtn's history. Pentelicus's primary significance is the marble it produces. The fires section should be drastically cut, or the others expanded. I will add a section on the Pentelic marble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack f t (talk • contribs) 05:27, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]