Talk:Doepfer MS-404

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NPOV

I hope my tag is self explanatory. This is a well written product review, but that's the problem. --Ds13 14:10, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)

- - Updating it again asap. --audioschotter.net 05:32, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: NPOV

Hello, Ds13. Thank you for the comments. Well, I have to agree that I'm a WIKI newbie and my style of writing is a little bit decorative as I'm no native speaker.

For this review's comparrison I used three 404's - one borrowed from a fellow musician (a Version1 nonmodified), two of these owned by our band; Serial-#950356 (Version1, modified) and #951188 (Version2, nonmodified).

The "one is not enough" headline does not really mean I want musicians to buy all of these discontinued products they can get. It's rather ment to state there are possibillites to use CV/GATE to control another device. Also the different "sound flavours" are very interesting. This could lead into a semi modular structure of sound processing and maybe a nice transition to an upcoming A-100 article. On the other hand the fact that only one monophonic sound is available at one time leads to some kind of problems in music productions. Therefore a common technique is either to sample single sounds (e.g. blips or percussive sounds) of these devices and map them in a sample player device or record longer audio tracks with a complete filter modulation curve like lead, bass or "hooklines" for example.

Quite often articles I found in my web researches mentioned the 404 as a "clone" of Roland's TB-303. But these devices distinguish from each other technically and soundwise. Therefore I mailed Dieter Doepfer in 2004 for a little more background information. The quotation is an excerpt of his reply. But I agree I really have to change my line "... and not to create a simple clone of a Japanese plastic toy". It may reduce the 303 unfairly - I'm also a little fanatic of the 303 by the way ;).

At "move me gently" - well the handling is really that delicate.

Further comments or suggestions are always welcome.

Cheers, Sven Buresch (Hamburg, Germany)

Re: NPOV by another user who just updated the TB-303 page

It's fine. This MS-404 page needs to be here. I just added the clones section to the Tb-303 part. The info given here is very helpful as I have one and didn't know about a few things like the different versions and the "mean green" one. Sigh I missed that one! I'll fix the page up in factaul form if you drop this dispute. Seems OK now maybe it was changed... Looking....

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Hi. I have to admit my writing style may be a little colourful, but I'm no native and I think that especially information about discontinued musical equipment should have some "flesh" as the flavours of the different synthesizers is so versatile. However, I think the information about "clones" (or those who aren't really clones, but also used in similiar ways like the 303) might be useful. The information about the green edition is from www.synrise.de Sometimes they're sold on web auctions almost at the same price as other 404s. By the way - I like your addition to the 303 article. In fact the sound is still wanted and as 303's become rare and expensive there's still a market for manufacturers. Even Roland made a waveform emulation for it's V-Synth. And as many producers go virtual they might go for plugin versions like Audiorealism Bassline for example. Greetings, Sven --audioschotter.net 01:01, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup

I trashed most of the article fataltourist 22:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Some details on this device might be useful information and could be added: - the 404 can be used as a MIDI to CV/GATE interface - it can be customized (e.g. set LFO Jumpers's from triangle to square) --audioschotter.net 02:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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