Talk:Megadeth

Defining Megadeth

I've gone through some other Megadeth biographies published by respectable media. I've noted that the majority of them explain Megadeth as thrash metal band, rather than heavy metal, as Wikipedia does. Here are some extracts:

• AllMusic: One of the most popular and important thrash metal bands, led by Dave Mustaine, with music that contains strong social and political messages.
• Billboard: After he left Metallica in 1983, guitarist/vocalist Dave Mustaine formed the thrash metal quartet Megadeth.
• The Guardian: Megadeth is an American thrash metal band led by founder, frontman, guitarist, and songwriter Dave Mustaine.
• Rolling Stone: When guitarist Dave Mustaine was booted out of Metallica early in its career, he formed Megadeth, which continued his former group's thrash-metal style with even more speed and intensity.

Sure, there are also reliable references indicating heavy metal, but the most professional ones classify them as thrash. I didn't include MVT, VH1, BBC Music, Metal Storm and Consequence of Sound because their biographies are copied from the ones I've already mentioned. Please post your opinion bellow.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 13:47, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I have no problem with how the lead is currently worded, nor how the genres appear on the infobox (although I do think hard rock should be taken out). Megadeth has not consistently played thrash since the 1980s up until Rust in Peace, after which remnants of their thrashier days have only showed up sporadically in a few songs. Nowadays it's just straightahead heavy metal, albeit a bit heavier than Iron Maiden and the like. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I see your point. You assume that the reader might be confused reading "Risk is studio album by thrash metal band Megadeth" with the genres being heavy metal/hard rock. While I agree with your propose to exclude hard rock, I still think that we should stick to the official biographies made by professional editors. Anyway, lets wait for additional comments.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 16:58, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Merge proposal for an album page

Due to the fact that is is very unlikely that Still Alive... And Well? is A) unsourced; and B unlikely to ever be anything more than a stub, should we possibly look at merging it into one of the other articles? perhaps The World Needs a Hero or Rude Awakening (Megadeth album) (or even the main discography page, as per Maximum Megadeth)? Whichever page it gets merged to, if any, there should still be mention of this release.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 00:23, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

• Support I think we should start some serious cleaning on the Megadeth articles (songs in particular) if we want to candidate these articles for good topic on Wiki. Since the article contains no references, I believe it should be a redirect to the discography page.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 10:53, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Any other comments?--L1A1 FAL (talk) 15:26, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Upcoming changes

Hello, just to inform that I'll change the prose significantly in the upcoming period. The article will suffer some info removal because some of its information is overlapping with the album articles. However, before I get to that, I want to propose cutting Panic (non-existing article), Alice Cooper (not significantly connected with the band) and Eidolon (same as Alice Cooper) from the associated acts in the infobox. Another proposal will be trimming the genres, ex. removing hard rock since no sources describe the band as hard rock act.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I would leave Eidolon, just based on the fact that a current member was in that band. Doesn't need to be the first thing mentioned, but still should be listed, IMO. Cooper is irrelevant at this point though. All other changes seconded.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 08:16, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Removed the bands; will remove hard rock when I'm almost finished working on the article, because that will probably attract edit warring. However, I wanted to ask if somebody is able to create a table featuring the band members, like on other featured articles?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 17:59, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Mustaine and Hanneman

Hello. I noticed a little controversy about Mustaine saying that the death of Jeff Hanneman gave him a sense of mortality. That quote was picked from Ultimate Guitar. However, while interviewing Mustaine, the journalist from Phoenix New Times must have looked at Wikipedia and asked him about this. Mustaine confusedly responded that he must have been misinterpreted, which I guess caused uncomfortable situation. What others think, should it be removed?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 10:48, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

What to list in the genre sidebar

Hi. Because there is another editor who disagrees with me on this issue, I open a discussion in order to reach general consensus on this topic. Sources for genres such as thrash metal, speed metal, heavy metal, extreme metal, hard rock and punk rock can easily be found on Google Books, so voice your opinion on what should be included.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 10:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

The currently listed genres (thrash metal and heavy metal) seems to cover things fine. I wouldn't particularly be against speed metal and hard rock, but thrash metal and heavy metal should definitely stay. Both are supported by many sources, with some being cited here and in the album articles. Honestly, I've never even seen them referred to as punk rock. 97.83.67.162 (talk) 11:04, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

"Megadeth, a thrash-metal band producing fast aggressive music with roots in punk" (from Google Books). My word is, to avoid pointless and biased listing of genres, to include the one that reflects the opinion of critics and musicologists, not ours. From what I've seen during re-building the article, speed metal is way more supported than heavy metal, which implies that that its inclusion is questionable at least.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 11:21, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

It being "rooted in punk" does not necessarily equal it being punk rock. But anyway, both genres already do reflect that. And as for speed metal, I already said I wouldn't be opposed to it being added. But just because you didn't find as many sources for heavy metal as speed metal, doesn't mean more of them don't exist. 97.83.67.162 (talk) 18:26, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, yes, we perfectly understood your opinion. Allow other editors to comment.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I am not a regular listener of Megadeth, I usually use AllMusic for a starting point when querying genre's, Thrash metal (Megadeath is one of the four bands listed there) was my first thought, and seems to cover it for me, and of course any sub's/branches can be handled in prose. Mlpearc (open channel) 17:54, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I believe thrash metal should be genre #1 and heavy metal #2. If speed metal has to be added, then at least put it in brackets—"speed metal (early)"—like at the article for White Zombie. IMO the only time they've played anything that could be classed as speed metal was KIMB. Anything after that is either pure thrash, or thrash'ified heavy metal; by the latter I mean, besides Hidden Treasures, Megadeth have never played straight-up bog standard traditional heavy metal like Iron Maiden. Even on a 'softer' album like Risk, it was always a kind of 'next level up' style more closer to thrash metal; same with how Guns N' Roses was often bordering on the 'near-heavy metal' scale of hard rock, compared to softer bands of the same genre like Poison or Bon Jovi. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:38, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Mac is right about Killing is my Business. There is that review by CMJ New Music Report who called Megadeth's debut "a representative of the golden age of speed metal", but other than that, quite a few critics rank the band in that league (Jeff Wagner is the only one who comes in mind). As for heavy metal, considering that nearly half of their discography is listed under that genre (from Youthanasia to The System Has Failed + Super Collider) we might include it in order to be all-inclusive.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 23:22, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Things to work on

Let's continue here what was unfinished at the FAC:

• "I think a lot of us were inconsistent [on the 1988 tour] because of the guy we were waiting for after the show.": We all know who that "guy" is, but in an encyclopaedia it's best to be explicit. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:04, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Is it me, or I just can't figure out who "the guy" is?

"the guy" is the drug dealer. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:30, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, so much of my high rated IQ. That would basically be paraphrasing the entire quote.

Or just cut the quote entirely and simply state that drug issues interfered with the tour. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:06, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• their jeans and t-shirts for a more conscious appearance: can we get brief examples of what they did wear? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:33, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Not possible since the source doesn't state that.

Are there other sources that talk about it? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:30, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

You won't believe it, but when you type "Megadeth Richard Avedon" on Google, this is all you get.

Oh, aren't they pretty! Not much you can do, I guess. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:06, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• While rehearsing for the tour, drummer Nick Menza left the band: the last we heard about Menza, he'd been kicked out of the band already.
• Drummer Shawn Drover stated that Mustaine had saved many riffs over the years and that some recent material is based on those demo recordings.: "recent" as of when?

That is not explicitly stated in the interview. Judging from the Allmusic biography, I assume Drover meant the last two albums.

• Mustaine is described as rhythm guitarist, and then Pillsbury calls Friedman "Megadeth's other lead guitarist". Can we find a better way to transition into this?

The key phrase is early days. "During the band's early days, Mustaine was the rhythm guitarist" We can drop lead from the quote and then we'll have "Megadeth's other guitarist, Marty Friedman".

You can't alter the quotes, but you can paraphrase, or quote snippets. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:08, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• Ellefson suing Mustaine: how is "profits" different from "merchandise and publishing royalties"?

Profit can be made of various things (records, equipment, etc.), not just merchandise and author's rights.

Then how about, "profits, including "merchandise and publishing royalties"? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:30, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Excuse my slow resourcefulness, but you want the sentence to be: "Ellefson alleged that Mustaine short-changed him on profits including merchandise and publishing royalties"?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:59, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Right. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:56, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• Still need to add a source on Mustaine's heroin addiction.

Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:30, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• Billboard reported that Megadeth sold 9.2 million albums in the US during the Nielsen SoundScan era (1991-onwards). Any idea where should we place this and is it suitable for the lead?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:37, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
• So that doesn't included pre-1991 sales? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:54, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

  No, only those after March 1991.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:55, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

  That's annoying. I might put it in a footnote, then. Definitely not in the lead. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:10, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• Some general comments:
  • I think a lot of the exact dates are too detail-y at this scope—for instance, On March 21, 2006, Capitol released a two-disc DVD titled Arsenal of Megadeth—I might shorten it to just "March 2006" or even just "2006", unless a more exact date is relevant. It's not because it's "wrong", but I think it drags down the prose. People who want the exact details can click through to find them—or you could throw in the release dates in the list albums.
  • Similarly, there's a lot of "In March 19XX, the band announced they would be returning to the studio. type of stuff that, again, I think is too detail-y. All these details will be in the album articles, so unless something truly dramatic or otherwise important happened during recording, I'd drop this kind of thing and get to the point—that a new record was release at such-and-such a time. For instance, I think In 1985, Combat Records gave the band $8,000 to record and produce its debut album. After spending half of the album's budget on drugs, alcohol, and food, the band members fired the original producer and finished the recording themselves. is fine—it's telling the story of the band—but stuff like The recording sessions for Megadeth's fifth studio album started in January 1992 at Enterprise Studios in Burbank, California. Max Norman was chosen to produce the album, as the band was pleased with his mixing of Rust in Peace.[60] The band spent nearly four months in the studio with Norman, writing and recording what became Megadeth's most commercially successful effort, Countdown to Extinction.[61] The album, whose title drummer Nick Menza suggested, features songwriting contributions from each band member I think is overdone—the important details could be compressed to a single sentence. I think that would make for a more enjoyable read.
• Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:21, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

I completely agree with you. Reading the article, I was also surprised to see so many dates (added by previous editors). I will reduce them step by step, as they doesn't appear to be that important.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:46, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

• Note: Megadeth sold 50 million records worldwide; those numbers include studio albums, DVDs, video albums, compilations, etc. The lead incorrectly states that the sales are solely from studio albums.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 23:04, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, you could "fix" it by stating it includes DVDs, video albums, etc, but most people just want the album sales. I think normally that would include live albums and compilations; if it doesn't, you should be saying they sold XX million copies of the studio albums. Also, I'd avoid calling them "records" in 2014. Either "albums", or "recordings" if the numbers include singles. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:20, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• I came across this—do you think it's worth including? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

You meant to include that in Sad Wings of Destiny (as far as I can read the Google search field), right? If it has some worthy information, why not? After all, it's written from a Rolling Stone journalist.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 09:35, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I came across it when looking for stuff for Sad Wings (and added it there), but I thought it was interesting as Mustaine claims it was the moment he decided to became a metal musician. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll add it for sure when I get to work on Mustaine's article (if it's not already there). Ellefson had mentioned Kiss' Destroyer as the record that convinced him to begin career in heavy metal. My point is that we might be citing something that is not directly connected with Megadeth as a band. But, aside from that, I wanted to ask is it necessary to say that Vic Rattlehead was revamped for the second album by artist Ed Repka?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 10:44, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Looking at some images, it doesn't look to me like it was a radical revamp. It wouldn't hurt to add it, I suppose, but I wouldn't call it necessary. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:03, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I have omitted quite a dates I consider not important, plus I've added some info about the band in 2013. I'll see if there's anything else to add regarding the group's early years. It would have been great if we had an image of the lineup from the 1990s, but there's nothing much I can do about it. Anything else that needs attention before the second nomination?--Retrohead (talk) 10:14, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'd like to find the time to do one last thorough copyedit. I've added a few more images—though the image situation is still far from ideal. The article won't be archived over image issues, though, as long as they're appropriate and appropriately licensed. We just have to ensure the prose is high enough quality, and that the article is well balanced (comprehensive yet focused). By the way, what happened to the mention of Mustaine's heroin addiction? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I wrote only "drug addiction" because I don't have a source which says what kind of drug Mustaine used. Thinking about it, it is not that important.--Retrohead (talk) 13:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

• How on Earth are the photos added "off the topic"? They're all directly related to the text they were placed directly beside. And why remove the caption identifying Vic Rattlehead? You also removed some copyediting. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:43, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Apology for removing the copyedit and the caption in the infobox, didn't notice it was added. As for the pictures, placing Orwell here seems like the band plays music in his honor; less than 3% of the songs were inspired by his work. Also, photos of Jeff Hanemann and Metallica's logo are irrelevant in a Megadeth page. Haven't seen an image of Megadeth at their respective Wiki articles.--Retrohead (talk) 13:18, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

• Mustaine's relation to Metallica's a pretty big deal. It's not hard to see why there are no Megadeth images in the Metallica article—Mustaine started in Metallica, not the other way around. Metallica's been a shadow hanging over Megadeth for Megadeth's entire career, and Mustaine makes a point of bringing it up. Maybe Orwell was too much, but why remove the Iron Maiden picture? Or Megadeth's own logo? (the Metallica article has the logo prominently placed). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

  Iron Maiden influenced Megadeth's sound, not the band's image. Showing a photo (visual item) of Iron Maiden adds nothing to understanding the sonic traces of Maiden in Megadeth's music. A photo of Avedon is also unnecessary here. Photographing the band for booklet purposes is the least important aspect of the section, and besides that, it is Megadeth's only collaboration with that person. If you ask me, an image of Max Norman would fit ten times better. Metallica's logo is also redundant. If we got a picture of Mustaine with the other Metallica members at the time, fine, but what information is the reader supposed to obtain by seeing a logo with no obvious association to this band?--Retrohead (talk) 14:52, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

  Showing a photo (visual item) of Iron Maiden adds nothing to understanding the sonic traces of Maiden in Megadeth's music.: It was intended to be representative of the NWOBHM influence, as the caption indicated, and which is a pretty common way to illustrate articles.

  an image of Max Norman would fit ten times better: as I said, the image situation is not ideal. We work with what we have. A Norman image would be ten times better, but an Avedon image is better than section after section of no images.

  what information is the reader supposed to obtain by seeing a logo with no obvious association to this band?: which is why images have captions.

  If you can find better images, that would be awesome. I strongly believe having these images is far better than scrolling through nothing but text. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:12, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, wanted to ask is it appropriate to incorporate the logo in the infobox, like the Russian edition? Apart from shortening Dimebag Darrell's name and dropping "American" from the opening sentence, is there any other edit on the prose that I unknowingly reverted?--Retrohead (talk) 18:42, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

• It would be awesome if we could, but there's no "|logo=" parameter in the infobox on the English Wikipedia. I thought I had made more copyedits, but I can't see them. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:12, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikiquote page?

The Megadeth Wikiquote page has been cleaned and improved and is now in presentable condition. However, when I added the missing link to the Wikiquote page to this article, it was soon removed without any explanation. It's my understanding that links to Wikipedia's sister projects are supposed to be there. Is there a reason why the Wikiquote link is not tolerated in this article? Why is the Wikimedia Commons link okay, but not the Wikiquote link? If there is no problem, and it was a mistake, could someone please add the link at some point?--DarkPsalms (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

No worries, the link was restored.--Retrohead (talk) 16:13, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Missing controversy

What about the one where dave said Obama was behind mass shootings and it was becoming 'like Nazi America'. That saw significant press. I don't think it's true that most of the Dave controversy has to do Metallica any more either as it saysin the opening sentenceof the controversy section.--Keithramone33 (talk) 13:26, 7 September 2014‎ (UTC)

Keithramone33, that would be more suitable in the Dave Mustaine article. Since he speaks for himself, not for the band, that information has no place here.--Retrohead (talk) 12:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Retrohead, I hear you. However, the article section begins with "Mustaine has made numerous inflammatory statements in the press, usually regarding issues with former Metallica bandmates." And I found the article a few days ago when it was enjoying it's status as featured article. So, either the whole section should be deleted on the basis of consensus agreement with your observation (despite not being noticed during it's featured selection process), or I am right about the mentioned controversy deserving inclusion.--Keithramone33 (talk) 17:18, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I see it is already well elaborated in Dave Mustaine#Criticism of Barack Obama and 2012 U.S. Presidential election.--Retrohead (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2014

You can add on the genre the genre of speed metal and hard rock because megadeth is also a speed metal and hard rock band NikosMiou (talk) 09:58, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or altered in, any article.
Genres are particularly difficult area - please see the posts at the top of this page, and in the archives. - Arjayay (talk) 10:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Members Section

I removed the timeline and the incomplete Former Members list because with a page dedicated to that information, it seemed redundant. My edit was reverted and apparently I have to get permission here? Anyway, does anyone agree that we don't need the information in two places? Crispy385 (talk) 07:24, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes definitely. That would be the commonly accepted practice. DLManiac (talk) 20:30, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Influences and style

the 4th paragraph of this section starts with: "During the band's early days, Mustaine was the rhythm guitarist, while Chris Poland played lead." This is wrong, Poland only plays solo's on 3 out of the 8 songs on their debut album Killing Is My Business all the other solo work is done by Mustaine, There is actually only 1 original song that doesn't feature a solo from Mustaine, and These Boots was also all Poland. Megadeth has always had lead/rhythm - lead/rhythm.

de third paragraph says: "Most of the songs are recorded in standard guitar tuning as Mustaine believes it to provide a superior melody to alternative methods of tuning" maybe add in something like all though the first albums were tuned slightly different so nobody could exactly copy it. this actually was the deal with at least the first 2 albums.

hope I could help, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.210.117.83 (talk) 20:00, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Admin request - Wikidata link editing

Can someone edit the links in this article? The Swedish version was demoted from FA a long time ago. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 18:40, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

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Albums sold

This source states Megadeth has sold close to 50 million albums. What's the truth? --HeadsOff (talk) 18:19, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

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 Not done – nice try. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 07:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean nice try? I believe junior shouldn't be included, and that the photos should be updated for modern times. I'm not saying Lomenzo is a permanent band member BoxxyBoy (talk) 15:40, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I repeat: why is this article full-protected?

The issue came entirely from IP editors. There was a solution available that didn't involve revoking access to perfectly suitable editors like myself. Like, I don't know, semi-protection? dannymusiceditor ^oops 16:17, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm not disagreeing, but I don't know why we're discussing it here when the only person who could definitively tell us why the article was full-protected instead of semi-protected (a decision which I, too, am baffled about) was the admin who protected it in the first place – in other words, ask Anarchyte. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 23:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor and 4TheWynne: It takes two to edit war, and as protection should not favour a certain editor it would have been incorrect to use semi. Apologies for the delayed response. Anarchyte (talk) 07:34, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit request (22 September 2021)

Add |small=yes to the protection template. Kleinpecan (talk) 02:39, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done this is not how it works. You do not get to request editing perms to edit the page yourself. Sorry. dannymusiceditor ^oops 02:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

I only asked for the |small=yes parameter to be added to the protection template so that it only shows as a padlock icon and not a giant banner that the average reader does not care about. Kleinpecan (talk) 02:44, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh. Not gonna lie, I thought that was default text left there carelessly by someone who wanted edit permissions. dannymusiceditor ^oops 02:46, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment)  Not done Moot since page is no longer protected. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Adding James Lomenzo to Members

James Lomenzo appears on a STUDIO TRACK as of April 1st, 2022. He should be back in the official members now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoxxyBoy (talk • contribs) 16:33, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

BoxxyBoy, even if that were true, stop drawing conclusions based off one small detail (which you haven't presented a source for) – Megadeth hasn't announced LoMenzo as a full member of the band, so until that happens, no, he shouldn't. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 00:06, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Here's a preview of what it could look like (and with sources!)

Current members

• Dave Mustaine – guitars, lead vocals (1983–2002, 2004–present)
• Kiko Loureiro – guitars, backing vocals (2015–present)
• Dirk Verbeuren – drums (2016–present)
• James Lomenzo - bass, backing vocals (2005-2010, 2021-present)

BoxxyBoy (talk) 02:17, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

References

Accurate album sales

dallas observer, fox news radio, and other inaccurate sources have numbers for album sales from 10 million to over 50 million. you can’t look for some local news media that doesn’t use sources for a number to exalt your favorite metal band.

RIAA is a legit source. According to them they have sold slightly under 10 million albums. I added an edit using that source and estimating for sales of singles to be “over 10 million” . This is at least more accurate than the figure has been in years. Someone else with more enthusiasm can be precise.

Again, you wouldn’t use a tabloid for medical information as you wouldn’t use fox news radio for music industry info. Try media outlets with credibility like wall street journal or music industry sources like RIAA. 2600:1012:B1B6:5947:81DF:E40F:C778:C218 (talk) 10:00, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

You have not capture the full picture for album sales.

RIAA is certification, and does not give the full picture. Any album not reaching GOLD status (500k sold) will not be counted. So all Megadeth albums selling less than 500k in the USA (KIMB, Risk, TWNAH, TSHF, UA, Endgame, 13, Dystopia, all the greatest hits albums, all the live albums) will not factor into the numbers. Also, any album which has sold more than 500k but hasn't hit the next certification will not be counted.... for example, Countdown has sold over 2.5 million, but has the double platinum certification and won't be recertified until reaching 3 million, so the sales above 2 million are not counted. Due to not including this, you are discounting millions of album sales.

Furthermore, you are only looking at USA sales. Depending on the band, worldwide sales can double or sometimes triple a bands album sales. Megadeth are a world successful band (shown by charting in many countries and touring in them).

You really should not be using RIAA certification alone to inform the total number of album sales for Megadeth. 2A02:C7C:41D:3000:7D53:C28B:573:2EE8 (talk) 17:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I am not missing the full picture. Again, Fox News Sports radio is not a valid source for album sales especially when they don’t provide any source for that figure. And your justification for 10 million as reported by RIAA to being 50 MILLION is the few hundred thousand copies it goes over gold/platinum and worldwide sales? Megadeath was most popular in America like virtually every American metal band. It is absurd to believe they sold three times as many records outside of America i.e. 30 million. Bands much more successful than megadeath with many times more certifications don’t do that well outside of their country. Again, it’s obvious megadeath has a rabid overly devoted fanbase willing to manipulate facts in order to exalt their band that they worship. I can’t find any valid sources that even suggests its possible let alone true they have even sold half of that absurd 50 million figure. If you understand the music industry and how rock bands normally do, 50 million is an extraordinarily figure and would be more widely reported but more than likely its not accurate. Shhsbavavaa (talk) 10:37, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

albums sales source should be RIAA, soundscan, NOT a sports radio station and fox news no less

megadeth has not even sold half of the figure their wiki asserts. Its a ridiculous and embarrassing over-exaggerating by an overzealous fan or a megadeth manager. Fox news radio is NOT A LEGITIMATE SOURCE FOR MUSIC INDUSTRY. Media makes errors all the time and fox news particularly is known for its lack of journalistic ethics and fox sports radio no less as a source for music industry figures? They probably interviewed davids agent and he gave them that ridiculous figure.

I used RIAA official certifications which even includes digital downloads! Megadeth really sold less than ten million records I am still be generous in saying over 10 million to appease the freaks that stalk this page. More importantly its a legitimate source and a rational same figure. 2600:1012:B1C5:43AD:15F1:E461:6E99:9340 (talk) 08:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

you could've just said " i corrected an error in the album sales and added a better source" instead of going completely apeshit --FMSky (talk) 13:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Please calm down (continuing along the "appease the freaks that stalk this page" path will only get you blocked). For starters, you didn't really fix the source, just replaced the URL and otherwise left the reference broken; also, does the RIAA depict worldwide sales, or just in the U.S.? If they're worldwide sales, the album sales in the source total 8.85 million, and that's the only definitive figure from the source, so that's what you would write – you don't just guess "over 10 million"; if they're only U.S. sales, you would either say so or not include the information at all until a better source with a definitive number of the band's worldwide sales can be found. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 14:25, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

You are not representing album sales in a correct way.

Firstly, you are only taking USA derived sales. According to Nielsen SoundScan, Megadeth has sold 9.2 million copies of its albums in the United States as of 2016. This would be over 10 million by now. Importantly to note, Soundscan ONLY FACTORS SALES FROM MARCH 1991. So, the lions share of Killing, Peace, So far and Rust are not counted. ie their output from 85 - early 91. So they would have sold at least 12 - 15 million in the USA alone.

Now factor in Worldwide sales and you are probably upto 25 - 30 million albums sold.

I will do more research on this and come back to you but, saying "10 million records sold" is a bit misleading really. 2A02:C7C:41D:3000:D8FD:7D22:B879:5994 (talk) 11:57, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

With all that said, that still doesn’t add up to 50 million or even half that. Most american metal bands don’t do that well outside of america, and ither countries do do certifications and megadeath has very few. another ridiculous figure. Im familiar with music industry and pop music history and I can tell you anyone else who is would look at the 50 million figure or even half that suspiciously. Megadeath was successful but they were never on that level to achieve those sales figures you are throwing out there. American sales are well counted for and it is not anything close to 20 million. Nor is the “lion share” of sales happened during the brief five years at the time of release as you claim, sales don’t work like that. These huge figures are only figured through guestimation and if i can be nice about it, also based on scant knowledge of pop music history. I also disagree in using a dubious source like a random sports radio article , that something is better than nothing, that is not a standard that would fly in any academia or encyclopedia communities. Shhsbavavaa (talk) 10:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Six Platinum Albums?

I might be missing something, but the RIAA website only lists five of their albums getting platinum (Peace Sells to Youthanasia), with Cryptic Writings only have Gold. The discography page lists CW as having Platinum too. Even if by now CW sold enough to get to the platinum threshold, the source cited still says it's only Gold.GenerallyAcceptable (talk) 00:35, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

it used to say they sold over 60 million . at least its more than halfway to the truth id say. Shhsbavavaa (talk) 11:07, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Kiko's status

Kiko should not be listed as a member. Teemu is the new guitarist, as the website shows.

~ 81.166.107.145 (talk) 81.166.107.145 (talk) 18:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

The Megadeth website isn't the best source, but I did find a Blabbermouth article that talks about Kiko leaving the band. [1] David O. Johnson (talk) 21:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Risk did not go Gold.

Despite this, Risk was certified gold in the United States. [125]

Also The link says nothing About Megadeth at all. 51.37.206.57 (talk) 18:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Years active for the band

@Will come will see: Can you explain your rationale? This edit war is getting old. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Basically Megadeth were formed in 1983 and have been active the whole time. Someone decided to (without sources) claim they were inactive 2002-2003. That may be so, but why mention it? They have been inactive for longer periods considering two or more years passing since studio albums were recorded and no touring activity. --Will come will see (talk) 00:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

There's no other time the band has been inactive, looking at the List of Megadeth band members article. David O. Johnson (talk) 12:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)