Talk:Erik Eriksson

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Good work here. There are a lot of gaps in pre-Vasa Swedish history to the English reader. Its a big help to my work.

Epithet translation

King Eric had a club foot and was also called Ericus Balbus. The English word halter is the closest possible translation of the Swedish "halte". Educated English-speakers know that the English verb "halt" is to limp. Non-Swedish natives do not flatter themselves by being masteful about the English language or trying to ridicule English natives using English correctly. SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 31 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: MOVED to Erik Eriksson. There is a consensus that the common name of the subject is "Erik Eriksson" and that he is the primary topic among subjects with that exact spelling of the name. There is opposition to including the numeral "XI" in the title due to its inaccuracy. (non-admin closure) Toadspike [Talk] 12:02, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eric XI of Sweden → Erik Eriksson (king) – The WP:COMMONNAME for this king is "Erik Eriksson".

Ngram shows that Erik Eriksson has been more common in the literature since 1910 or so. However, "Erik Eriksson" is also a common name for other people, so the full curve for "Erik Eriksson" cannot be attributed to the king. The decline in the use of "Eric XI" is more clear.
Reliable sources usually use the name Erik Eriksson. See e.g. GBooks search for Erik+1222+1250. Typical example is the Cambridge History of Scandinavia. Britannica does not have a dedicated page for him, but the "Learn more page" is titled Erik Eriksson.
~~There are a lot of other Erik Erikssons (dab page), and the king is not the primary topic.~~ For disambiguation, I suggest the parenthetical disambiguation, which would be a concise choice. I don't believe our hands are tied very strongly by WP:NCROY here since its applicability to medieval Sweden is somewhat dubious. These patronymic names are not of the "common stock", and Sweden was not a hereditary monarchy at the time.

— Jähmefyysikko (talk) 04:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 11:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as a change from WP:NATURAL to parenthetical disambiguation is not preferable. I would be amenable to Eric XI Eriksson or something of the like. estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Erik XI Eriksson would also be an improvement over the current title. It would be more recognizable than the current title, being closer to the common name. It is not perfect, however. The numeral is so dubious that we have to write long apologies for it (footnote A in the article). Also, it is not highly natural (CRIT#2): although a mixture of numeral and patronymic is sometimes used in book indexes and the like, it is very rarely used in the running prose (See GBooks for "Erik XI Eriksson" and also note the various parentheses around the numeral or the patronymic). Still, it would be better than the current title. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 00:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC); edited 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Per nom. Numerals for medieval Swedish kings is a can of worms. He styled himself "Eric III" (though no one else does). Andejons (talk) 05:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change target. On second thoughts, we should move to Erik Eriksson, as the king is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this name. My earlier claim about there not being a primary topic was incorrect (stricken out). The error came from considering all the individuals on the disambiguation page for Eric Erickson, but per WP:SMALLDETAILS, we should only focus on those with the exact name "Erik Eriksson." These are Erik Eriksson (swimmer), Erik Eriksson (athlete), Erik Eriksson (politician), Erik Eriksson (Swedish footballer), and possibly Erik A. Eriksson.

A pageviews analysis shows that in 2023, the king's page gathered 13,299 views, whereas the other five pages combined only gathered 735 views. Additionally, the king qualifies as the primary topic under Criterion WP:PT2 due to his long-term significance. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 10:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Relisting for more participation. Best, Reading Beans 11:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose - I'd rather we stick with the "Monarch # of country" style, for these page names. GoodDay (talk) 13:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The scope of "these page names" is not defined, but at least for 13th-century Swedish monarchs, we have not adhered to that naming convention. In fact, it would be more WP:consistent to use a patronymic name, as is done for his two predecessors Johan Sverkersson and Erik Knutsson. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 18:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I'd rather we stick with Eric (English) not Erik (Swedish). --SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd stick with the policy WP:UE: "The choice between anglicized and local spellings should follow English-language usage", which aligns with WP:COMMONNAME. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 18:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Erik Eriksson as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, per Jähmefyysikko. This probably also implies moving the existing dab page Eric Erickson to Erik Eriksson (disambiguation), as the spelling used by the majority of entries on that page. Rosbif73 (talk) 12:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support the dab page move per WP:DABNAME. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 01:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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